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  • SnowSultanSnowSultan Posts: 3,596

    CHWT said:

    SnowSultan said:

    For instance, $20/month for access to every DAZ Original in the store, and some normal discounts on PA items. 

    I'd love that too, but people would still complain that you lose access to the content if you unsubscribe. 

    That's a legitimate reason to complain if someone wants to, no? 
     

     

    No, because that would be exactly how the subscription is supposed to function. It would be like complaining to Netflix because you can't watch their shows after cancelling your subscription.

    But yes, I've always hoped for an all-access subscription plan here because there are a lot of images I'd like to make if I had access to items that I would never use more than the once.

  • ainm.sloinneadhainm.sloinneadh Posts: 418

    SnowSultan said:

    CHWT said:

    SnowSultan said:

    For instance, $20/month for access to every DAZ Original in the store, and some normal discounts on PA items. 

    I'd love that too, but people would still complain that you lose access to the content if you unsubscribe. 

    That's a legitimate reason to complain if someone wants to, no? 
     

     

    No, because that would be exactly how the subscription is supposed to function. It would be like complaining to Netflix because you can't watch their shows after cancelling your subscription.

    But yes, I've always hoped for an all-access subscription plan here because there are a lot of images I'd like to make if I had access to items that I would never use more than the once.

    That could be an interesting subscription.

    Taoz said:

    ainm.sloinneadh said:

    Are there any policies on having two accounts? After letting everything settle for a while, I'm wondering if it might be worthwhile having a second account to dip in and out of a Premier sub while keeping my 16 months of Daz+.

    In general you're only allowed to have one, I was told, but you may be allowed to have an extra if you have a good reason (I was allowed to have one for testing, as I've been writing software that collects account data from the store).

    Ah, that's a shame. Daz+ only I remain, then, unless some other new way we can play the game arrises from the Premier dimension.

  • Space JingorohSpace Jingoroh Posts: 169

    Richard Haseltine said:

    Space Jingoroh said:

    Imago said:

    Probably someone else already asked this, but I don't have the strenght to search along the whole forum...

    If I convert a figure using the Premier tool, I'm allowed to use that converted figure if I don't keep the subscription? Or it will stop working along with the plugin? A more backward compatibility is planned (namely, support for G1 and G2  F/M figures)?

    About the Render Queue, it can render image sequences in 3Delight and Filament? Or it's binded only to IRay?

    The Blender export works on anything or only on few G9 Figure morphs?

    　I am concerned about the same thing.
    　If when I stop my subscription, the projects I have produced up to that point will no longer work, then I feel unsafe using a subscription. 

    As far as I know the conversions don't depend on the plug-in, so that would not matter. Only things thata re actiuvely dependent on the tool would be unusable.

    　I see, so I still can't use the project, even if I created it.
    　So I have to be careful when I use plug-in functions.. 
    　It's a difficult problem.

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 6,969
    edited October 8

    Elor said:

    daveso said:

    another question. If joining Premiere, do the items you get, like the free bundle, or anything else other than the Studio enhancements, go away if you stop the subscription? 

    You'll keep anything that a non Premier member can buy.

    In other word, you'll only lose the exclusive plugins and exclusive contents (which will apparently appear with the next Daz bundle) if you stop being a Premier member.

    As far as I test, the product assets (essential morphs... ) you ever downloaded with the subscription will be always there and usable even Premier expires. I don't think they'll be encryped, de-activated or deleted after Premier expires... I'll be surprised if they will be ~~

    And all new plugins can work offline without no futher log-in after activation but I do believe the Premier subscription data is stored locally. DS will check it when being launched...

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  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 6,969
    edited October 8

    Imago said:

    Probably someone else already asked this, but I don't have the strenght to search along the whole forum...

    If I convert a figure using the Premier tool, I'm allowed to use that converted figure if I don't keep the subscription? Or it will stop working along with the plugin? A more backward compatibility is planned (namely, support for G1 and G2  F/M figures)?

    The converted figures will be either saved as sub-set or DSF files... etc. then they'll have nothing to do with the converter plugin anymore, so they can always work without subscritpion.

    About the Render Queue, it can render image sequences in 3Delight and Filament? Or it's binded only to IRay?

    All ~~ it depends on the engine you choose in Render Settings... Viewport (Filament, 3DL ), OpenGL or Iray. However, I don't think one can mix them together in a full render queue.

    The Blender export works on anything or only on few G9 Figure morphs?

    As for exporting to Blender, it's still the Daz to Blender bridge, working for Genesis figures and static Env / Props... nothing has been changed so far (no updated version of DTB, still 2023 ver1.1)

    Edit: I just got the update of DTB, brand new version + UI (2024 ver2.8.63), they work in both Premier and non-Premier for Blender 4.2 ~~

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,888

    Space Jingoroh said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    Space Jingoroh said:

    Imago said:

    Probably someone else already asked this, but I don't have the strenght to search along the whole forum...

    If I convert a figure using the Premier tool, I'm allowed to use that converted figure if I don't keep the subscription? Or it will stop working along with the plugin? A more backward compatibility is planned (namely, support for G1 and G2  F/M figures)?

    About the Render Queue, it can render image sequences in 3Delight and Filament? Or it's binded only to IRay?

    The Blender export works on anything or only on few G9 Figure morphs?

    　I am concerned about the same thing.
    　If when I stop my subscription, the projects I have produced up to that point will no longer work, then I feel unsafe using a subscription. 

    As far as I know the conversions don't depend on the plug-in, so that would not matter. Only things thata re actiuvely dependent on the tool would be unusable.

    　I see, so I still can't use the project, even if I created it.
    　So I have to be careful when I use plug-in functions.. 
    　It's a difficult problem.

    I said as far as I know the conversions are not dependent - you don't need the plug-in to be active to use them.

  • skybluerobskybluerob Posts: 11

    Hi all.  For the monthly bundles you can get with DAZ Premier, I take it they'll refresh every calendar month (ie you have until 31st October to pick up one from the current October selection). 

     

    Does anyone know this for certain? 

     

    Thanks.

  • AsuCafeAsuCafe Posts: 78

    ArtAngel said:

    Taoz said:

    Marty3D said:

    I really can't overly complain too much, this last PA sale they literally gave away stuff almost for free type prices, check out my discount on a recent purchase.

    Subtotal $4317.00

    Discount -$4117.00

    Grand Total $200.00

    Good point.  

    Since I have joined DAZ, I have spent $56k+ and have bought new releases as well as old stuff for toon NPR renders. That is an average of $8k+ a year, and I'm not the only one paying for software or salaries. We all do. And, I have never seen such a drastic change unfold in such a poor, ambiguous manner. For me I want to know how this affects the software and future releases of software and tools I pay for. I asked several questions on page 19, asking for a response from someone in the know, a DAZ representative, but all they seem to want to talk about are the tokens and freebies and the price, not about how locked in we will be. In Adobe, psd were useless if one quit the software. Now I believe gimp has psd capability. However Adobe has been very transparent and allowed me to renew a 2020 plan every year because I do not want ttheir AI. And in return I renew the entire Suite and Substance but hardly use anything but pPhotoshop and they know that thru tracking. Each year I know what exactly I am signing up for and I talk to a rep if I don't. Ironically I spend much more here and can't get an anwser from anyone from DAZ to the questions I posted a few pages back. I may just use the forums as a resource I am addicted to the DAZ dogs and I do have 8 tokens and a $192.00 credit but this girl is not buying any more gift cards because this girl is planning to resort to Base upon DAZ+ expiry, keep an eye out for free stuff here, if any, and take my business elsewhere.

    When a company launches a new product or service, it should make consumers happy, not worried.

    I am even worried that I am not interested in the 30% off Gift Card.(It may also be that compared to last month, there is really no desire to shop.)

    According to some responses, Premier only limits access to some tools .

    I think until more people have positive feedback about Premier ,Just keep the status quo

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,888

    skybluerob said:

    Hi all.  For the monthly bundles you can get with DAZ Premier, I take it they'll refresh every calendar month (ie you have until 31st October to pick up one from the current October selection). 

     

    Does anyone know this for certain? 

     

    Thanks.

    We have had some pretty broad hints that there will be something new later this week, so I would say keep the coupon for at least that long before deciding.

  • ReneWReneW Posts: 147

    evacyn said:

    Anyone with the 'Contact Support to Upgrade' note on their Membership page ever hear back from support?

    I contacted support yesterday but haven't heard anything back yet.  Hopefully, I'll hear back soon so I can upgrade.  I don't know why some of us got the 'Contact Support to Upgrade' while others got  a button to click on.

  • DarkElfDarkElf Posts: 385
    edited October 8

    AllenArt said:

    SnowSultan said:

    OK, NOW the comments are what I expected; everyone saying they're done with DAZ, they're a bad business, I'll just use my old content, etc. You're not leaving, none of us are. I've seriously tried to quit 3D at least three times in the last ten years, and I keep coming back. Studio isn't suddenly subscription-only, you're not losing features, and you're not being forced to buy content that will one day be taken away from you. Just find a plan here that works for you, buy what you need, and keep making art.

     

    I can hear the champaign popping over at Reallusion. 

    LOL, have you looked at their prices? Try to calculate how much you would need to spend over there to get the equivalent of a Genesis 8 or 9 with a fair variety of clothing and hair. You will come running back here to subscribe to Premier. I had a chance to get their primary programs at 50% off and it was still outrageous.

    I agree about Reallusion. Their prices are ridiculous. Not a choice, not for me anyway. As for quiting Daz, the world being what it is right now and prices and inflation being what they are, this is just one more blow for people. Don't blame people for being fed up. The only thing these prices and this new "tier" is going to accomplish is that people will buy even LESS because they'll have an added expense per month with Premiere or a higher price every month with Daz+. People are TIRED and they are more broke by the day. If you or Daz expected this, then you should have. People don't have it to give anymore. I almost cry every time I need to buy groceries ffs, and I NEED food. I do not need Daz.

    Agreed. My 3D hobby is just that, a hobby. I probably spend a lot more than many people here. I am a "frequent buyer" which gave me some really good prices the past month or so. Prices in the realm of where  they should be IMO. Glad I took advantage of the sale because I will not be spending much from here on in.

    I discovered DAZ in 2008 and have been with them ever since. I sincerely thank DAZ for the free program. I mean that in all honesty. If it were not for them making the software free, I would never have had the opportunity to dabble in this amazing world of 3D. It has been fun.

    But for me this is just a hobby, and with my wife not working due to a disability now, I cannot justify these prices. That's why I never purchase anything unless it is at least 40% off or more. I never pay full price. Now that DAZ+ has gone up I will not be able to justify continueing on with it - which means I won't be seeing prices as good -  which means I will not be able to purchase as often. But, in actuality this is probably good since I really shouldn't even spend what I do.

    Thank you DAZ3D.

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  • Space JingorohSpace Jingoroh Posts: 169

    Richard Haseltine said:

    Space Jingoroh said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    Space Jingoroh said:

    Imago said:

    Probably someone else already asked this, but I don't have the strenght to search along the whole forum...

    If I convert a figure using the Premier tool, I'm allowed to use that converted figure if I don't keep the subscription? Or it will stop working along with the plugin? A more backward compatibility is planned (namely, support for G1 and G2  F/M figures)?

    About the Render Queue, it can render image sequences in 3Delight and Filament? Or it's binded only to IRay?

    The Blender export works on anything or only on few G9 Figure morphs?

    　I am concerned about the same thing.
    　If when I stop my subscription, the projects I have produced up to that point will no longer work, then I feel unsafe using a subscription. 

    As far as I know the conversions don't depend on the plug-in, so that would not matter. Only things thata re actiuvely dependent on the tool would be unusable.

    　I see, so I still can't use the project, even if I created it.
    　So I have to be careful when I use plug-in functions.. 
    　It's a difficult problem.

    I said as far as I know the conversions are not dependent - you don't need the plug-in to be active to use them.

    　Thanks for the replies.

    　I am not interested in CONVERTER at the moment.
    　I'm not even worried about it, as I think I could probably use the converted data as long as it is saved.

    　I am concerned about the plug-ins I use to create scenes etc.
    　This is because I would be in trouble if scenes created with the premium version are not backwards compatible.
    　Therefore, I would like a feature comparison list.
    　I am also concerned about post-use compatibility, not only now, but also for plug-ins that will be added to the premium version in the future.

  • DarkElfDarkElf Posts: 385

    Timbales said:

    I have no problem paying money for things I can't make or do myself. But there's less content I find appealing, which is diappointing. But Daz has no obligation to make things I want, and I have no obligation to buy things I don't want. I'll be fine, so will Daz. 

    Well said. This too is where I am on this whole thing.

  • tsroemitsroemi Posts: 2,742
    edited October 8

    I just came back in from watching some gaming news, and I would really like to encourage DAZ to ponder where the words 'players should get comfortable not owning their games' have just recently gotten the company who uttered them. Hint: It's not a good place.

    Edit: Sorry, I didn't read the thread topic correctly, but it seems other people are also posting opinions about Premier here, not just questions, so I'll leave it here for now.

    Post edited by tsroemi on
  • kprkpr Posts: 113

    In times of trouble... what you often need's a smile

    ainm.sloinneadh said:

    What I would really like to know is how many storeys a robust character bundle can be safely dropped.

    ainm.sloinneadh - that's brilliant! laugh

  • N-RArtsN-RArts Posts: 1,496

    tsroemi said:

    I just came back in from watching some gaming news, and I would really like to encourage DAZ to ponder where the words 'players should get comfortable not owning their games' have just recently gotten the company who uttered them. Hint: It's not a good place.

    Edit: Sorry, I didn't read the thread topic correctly, but it seems other people are also posting opinions about Premier here, not just questions, so I'll leave it here for now.

    That was the first thing I thought of... :/ 

  • SnowSultanSnowSultan Posts: 3,596

    I'm fine not owning Photoshop. If it were still $700 and $299 for every major upgrade, I probably would be using Affinity Photo. Now I get it for $9 a month and with new features like the almost magical Remove tool. Clip Studio paint is something like $3 a month and you'd have thought they were bought out by OpenAI by the way the community reacted to the news. I don't get it.

  • JumbotronJumbotron Posts: 108
    edited October 8

    Hello,

    I can imagine this question may have been asked and answered before. I hope you don't mind me asking it again in that case. My current Daz+ sub ends in November next year. What happens if I accept now the two months of Premier that I've been offered and then cancel my Premier sub before the end of the second month? Will my previous Daz+ sub still work in that case or will I lose it all together and remain a basic customer so long as I don't buy a new subscription?

    Post edited by Jumbotron on
  • nightwolf1982nightwolf1982 Posts: 1,160

    The only thing jumping out at me regarding Premier is the free content.  I'm wondering what the actual content will be - are the character bundles only going to be Genesis 9, or will they include Genesis 8?  Will the legacy content be more recent items from Genesis 3 era or later, or will it be the V3/V4 era content?

    The tools sound interesting, but I would need more details about what they can really do.  Do they justify the $20 subscription, or are there better options?

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,888

    Jumbotron said:

    Hello,

    I can imagine this question may have been asked and answered before. I hope you don't mind me asking it again in that case. My current Daz+ sub ends in November next year. What happens if I accept now the two months of Premier that I've been offered and then cancel my Premier sub before the end of the second month? Will my previous Daz+ sub still work in that case or will I lose it all together and remain a basic customer so long as I don't buy a new subscription?

    No, you would be trading in your existing + membership for a Premier membership. You could ask Sales support for help if you didn't use all your free months, but I would not count on their being able to help you.

  • ArtAngelArtAngel Posts: 1,692

    SnowSultan said:

    I'm fine not owning Photoshop. If it were still $700 and $299 for every major upgrade, I probably would be using Affinity Photo. Now I get it for $9 a month and with new features like the almost magical Remove tool. Clip Studio paint is something like $3 a month and you'd have thought they were bought out by OpenAI by the way the community reacted to the news. I don't get it.

    Me too. I agree. I have boxes of photoshop and upgrades 3.0, CS6 etc. and never use them. But if I want to use ld version they let you download the old versions in your account too, to access old plug-ins and features that fail in new versions. Came in handy when working with clients with older versions. Typically most things work in newer versions. Adobe took over my PC remotely, after a windows upgrade ruined everything, a few years ago and fixed everything. Now I have updates disabled in the registry for windows, but how cool is that for customer service.

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  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 12,735

    Jumbotron said:

    Hello,

    I can imagine this question may have been asked and answered before. I hope you don't mind me asking it again in that case. My current Daz+ sub ends in November next year. What happens if I accept now the two months of Premier that I've been offered and then cancel my Premier sub before the end of the second month? Will my previous Daz+ sub still work in that case or will I lose it all together and remain a basic customer so long as I don't buy a new subscription?

    From other comments including those by DAZ_Steve, it appears that once you convert to Premeir you will lode your current DAZ+ membership and if you cancel Premier you will have to either purchase a new DAZ+ membership or revert to basic. 

  • SnowSultanSnowSultan Posts: 3,596

    That's great, and I've only had good interactions with them in the past as well. The whole recent Adobe fiasco was just because a bunch of Youtubers whipped everyone into a panic by saying Adobe was going to literally steal art off their hard drives and train AI with it. People are just way too panicky and quick to believe the worst about everything. 

  • nabob21nabob21 Posts: 994

    This may have already been asked but in my 'personal' offer it says the I can get 15 months of Premier or I can subscribe when my current Daz+ is renewed at the end of the month for the 'current monthly rate of $18.98'. So that implies to me that the rates may go up in the next 15 months. Does anyone else read it this way?

  • JumbotronJumbotron Posts: 108
    edited October 8

    Richard Haseltine said:

    Jumbotron said:

    Hello,

    I can imagine this question may have been asked and answered before. I hope you don't mind me asking it again in that case. My current Daz+ sub ends in November next year. What happens if I accept now the two months of Premier that I've been offered and then cancel my Premier sub before the end of the second month? Will my previous Daz+ sub still work in that case or will I lose it all together and remain a basic customer so long as I don't buy a new subscription?

    No, you would be trading in your existing + membership for a Premier membership. You could ask Sales support for help if you didn't use all your free months, but I would not count on their being able to help you.

    Thanks, Richard. Then I think I would be committing a big mistake if I accepted the offer . I'll remain Daz+ for now.

     

    Charlie Judge said:

    From other comments including those by DAZ_Steve, it appears that once you convert to Premeir you will lode your current DAZ+ membership and if you cancel Premier you will have to either purchase a new DAZ+ membership or revert to basic. 

    Thanks to you as well. I posted my reply to Richard before seeing yours.

    Post edited by Jumbotron on
  • benniewoodellbenniewoodell Posts: 1,969

    crosswind said:

    Imago said:

    Probably someone else already asked this, but I don't have the strenght to search along the whole forum...

    If I convert a figure using the Premier tool, I'm allowed to use that converted figure if I don't keep the subscription? Or it will stop working along with the plugin? A more backward compatibility is planned (namely, support for G1 and G2  F/M figures)?

    The converted figures will be either saved as sub-set or DSF files... etc. then they'll have nothing to do with the converter plugin anymore, so they can always work without subscritpion.

    Have you used this converter yet? If so, does it work well? I can't for the life of me get riversoft's to work right and I'd love to make the characters I have that are G8 for this film I'm doing into G9 as I have much better expression packs for G9. If it works nicely, that might persuade me to swap my seven months or whatever it is for two months of premiere to swap them all over. 

  • nabob21nabob21 Posts: 994

    Something was mentioned earlier in the thread about a paid version of Daz Studio. Is Daz Studio with the Premier plug-ins the paid version or is there an actual differrent Daz Studio that is a purchased version?

  • PixelPiePixelPie Posts: 326

    SnowSultan said:

    OK, NOW the comments are what I expected; everyone saying they're done with DAZ, they're a bad business, I'll just use my old content, etc. You're not leaving, none of us are. I've seriously tried to quit 3D at least three times in the last ten years, and I keep coming back. Studio isn't suddenly subscription-only, you're not losing features, and you're not being forced to buy content that will one day be taken away from you. Just find a plan here that works for you, buy what you need, and keep making art.

     

    I can hear the champaign popping over at Reallusion. 

    LOL, have you looked at their prices? Try to calculate how much you would need to spend over there to get the equivalent of a Genesis 8 or 9 with a fair variety of clothing and hair. You will come running back here to subscribe to Premier. I had a chance to get their primary programs at 50% off and it was still outrageous.

    + 1 on this.. I will be waiting for y'all to work out the bugzes  .. in the mean time, I guess I'll stay put where I am atindecisionindecision.. I get it that y'all have to eat too in this economy.. I really want to get back to my art.. this threw me a curve ball on Monday..I think if you're an old fart like me.. you just don't need anymore of those (hair is frizzing...) Other than that, I just want a [{BUTTON}] to click on to upgrade if I so choose please. I wanted to stay with 4.22 version of studio etc till things are smoothed out, but I accidentally updated it in DIM grrfrown

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,888

    nabob21 said:

    Something was mentioned earlier in the thread about a paid version of Daz Studio. Is Daz Studio with the Premier plug-ins the paid version or is there an actual differrent Daz Studio that is a purchased version?

    The paid for version of DS, whether the old Advanced/Pro or the new Premier, has always been the base with extra features/plug-ins unlocked (by a serial number in the past or an account validation  now). There have not been two different applications.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,888

    nabob21 said:

    This may have already been asked but in my 'personal' offer it says the I can get 15 months of Premier or I can subscribe when my current Daz+ is renewed at the end of the month for the 'current monthly rate of $18.98'. So that implies to me that the rates may go up in the next 15 months. Does anyone else read it this way?

    It means they are not leaving hostages to fortune - if we get a first contact with aliens who give us tons of gold as a gift then Daz needs to be free to adjust prics to reflect the consequent galloping inflation.

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