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Thanks Richard. Here's another question. Does the Premier upgrade with the new plug-ins only work with the latest versions of Daz Studio, and will it work with the Beta (Public?) versions?
I put in a ticket yesterday, But I did see a new button so that is some progress!.. Still no button to upgrade to Premier.. seriously DAZ, other than giving me another gray hair with confusion and the shock of yet more money and changes, that would be my one constructive feedback. If you want to make more money.. and then don't give folks an easy way to do that
This whole saga is a complete disaster.
Renting or buying the software is anathema to me.
I am not willing to pay for the software till Armagedon.
I don't want utilities baked into the Studio software and be forced to pay or get the Premier BS.
Run a survey and ask questions, if Daz Plus members are willing to pay more for it.
With that you can tailor a better outcome.
This situation can't continue like this, creating a big uncertainty, this upheaval is causing a heartache to everyone.
For sanity sake stop this madness.
Nope--not interested in the Premier option whatsoever. The primary reason I will not jump onboard for the offer is this thing about being connected to an on-line server. I was a Poser user until they decided to make it obligatory to have an online sign-in for the program. But more importantly, my graphics machine is never connected to the Internet. I don't like the idea of outside entities having access to my computer. (I manually install everyting from Daz too). When my Daz+ membership comes to an end sometime next June, I will evaluate available options. I imagine by that time there will be a number of changes to membership options.
No, I think there should be a Premier promotion in 15 months.
I will not continue to subscribe if the price remains the same or if the price increases..
Having had a look through the included options for Premiere, my biggest question is this:
"As a long time member who sadly already owns the shapes/morphs for most generations of figures - plus potentially already own some of the included plug-ins, I am being offered no incentive to upgrade. I'm being offered 2 months Premiere for my subscription paid until May 2025. Why aren't you offering a discounted version for people who do own that stuff already, like you did when DS Pro (paid version) was launched & I got it heavily discounted because I owned most of the then "now included" plug-ins?"
While I can understand the need to bring in new revenue, it does seem that loyal long term members are not being offered anything tangible for the increased cost of DAZ+, let alone upgrading to Premiere. Of course it is a choice any business has the right to make. Most businesses though, don't usually choose to repeatedly annoy, then ignore their loyal customer base.
Exactly. Adobe is a perfect example of a subscription that that makes sense, as not only is it much less expensive than constantly upgrading a whole suite of massively powerful programs, but it also comes with a massive assortment of free assets to use with them. By contrast, DAZ Premeir trying to stick a hefty pricetag on something that has been available for free for many years and, with the singular exception of some of the features of Meshgrabber 4, doesn't seem to be offering anything that wasn't available as a very reasonably priced before hand. Worse, they've even taken some of those assets that were already in the store away, making them only availble to new customers with the subscription. All that said, I wouldn't be so irritated about all of this personally if it wasn't for the incredibly chintzy upgrade pricing offers that they're making to long term cutomers who have bought DAZ+ subscriptions in good faith.
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Does anyone know when the Premium features will be available in the regular version of DS? I've installed the current version and don't see any of the new options available (unless they only show if your a Premier member) I'm definitely not going to pay for something I can't get (I literally can't install the Beta, and Tech Support won't respond to help).
Honestly, the only Peimer feature I'm really interested in is the sculpting tools (Mesh Grabber 4). Unfortunately though, that alone is not worth 200+ a year. While some of the perks seem nice, most of the previous "pay now for something you will love later" promotions ended up with items that I was glad I didn't pay to get.
Unfortunately, I also don't see the new monthly DAZ+ being very cost effective for me right now. I usually only use the $6 DO coupon, since I seldom make purchases that quality for the other coupon. I could always justify the cost of membership (usually at around 50% off) with the $6 coupon and the weekly/monthly freebies (most are items I seldom or never use, but the few I do use made it all very worth while). Like others, the new monthly price structure will make it more difficult to justify the additional cost. Everything in the real world is more expensive, and my income has not increased at even nearly the same rate. It's kind of sad since I've benn a PC/DAZ+ member since 2007. But I have until the first week af Jan. to decide what I will do. I have a lot of stuff to render with, so maybe I'll use my remaining store credit over the next couple of months, and plan on buying even less than I have been in the future.
I must admit I am quite miffed that we are expected to pay a lot more for DAZ+, and store prices keep going up, but we still only get $6.00 coupons. Somehow that doesn't seem quite right to me.
But removing tools from the market and moving them to a rental model? Wow - that's low. During numerous sales, perpetual licenses for any of these tools could have been acquired for less than the cost of renting them for one month with Premier. Even their list prices would be a savings in the long run.
This is scummy.
Thanks!!! You made my day.
As I suspected would happen when I wrote that, the actual value of the Tokens has, indeed, been radically reduced See New Token Rates here 1 Token is 7% off, 2 Tokens are 13% off, 3 Tokens are 18% off, 4 tokens are 22% off, and 5 Tokens are now 25% off. After that, the discounting goes to seperate discount rates, 1 set for DAZ originals and another rate for all other products, where 6 tokens will you 30% off DOs, but only 27% off all other product, 7 tokens gets you 35% off D.O.s but only 29% other products, and 8 tokens is still 45% off DAZ Originals, but a paltry 30% off everything else. That's right, the difference between 7 and 8 tokens is a paltry 1 percent off on Non DaZ originals. WTH? Clearly the idea seems to be to incentivize people to use fewer tokens on everything except DAZ original purchases, as there's far less reason to expend 3 additional tokens to raise the 5 token discount of 25% off to just 30% off.
I still don't understand why DAZ didn't just:
- bump the Annual DAZ Plus membership to $100 and keep the occasional 50% discount promotions. DAZ gets more money. We don't get totally screwed. They could even have bumped it to $80 this year, $90 next year, and $100 the year after to ease the customer into it.
- bump the Quarterly DAZ Plus membership to $25 (did that have occasional discount promotions?).
- add the $9.99 auto-renewing subscription. People who like subscriptions get them and the rest of us don't get screwed.
And for DAZ Premier they could release the plug-ins they sucked into DAZ Studio for sale in the store. The plug-ins would ship in the DAZ Studio software along with whatever optimizations that allows them to have. People not in Premier could buy the plug-ins they want and get a serial number to enable them. Pleople in Premier get them enabled when DAZ Studio logs-in aand verifies Premier membership. To be fair, DAZ could still do this.
I would have also added a monthly single-use coupon for 20% off Gift Cards with no buy in for DAZ Plus members. DAZ Premier members could get 25% although I'm certain no one would complain if they made it more.
Any idea why we can't just upgrade to Premier on the site? Seems like a waste of customer support time them having to do it that way. I've contacted them, but have heard nothing... Like c'mon... I want to spend money. Are you a business? Do you want my money?
I know some people are fine with a Premier membership, and I'm glad it works for you. However, I already have enough recurring bills to pay each month. The more I add, the less I have to use for other things. We each have our individual max limit for how many subscriptions we can have in a would where everything has gone to subscriptions. I'm at my max now, and that's why I don't use subscription software like Photoshop, and now Studio Premier.
When I can buy a plugin or new content for a one time price, I can choose when and how I want to get it. I can even hold off until there is a sale, which is what I usually do in most cases because I don't have a lot of spending money. I can also choose when and how I want to use what I bought without worrying that the items are going to continue draining my bank account each month.
With a subscription, there is a potential for a lot of wasted money when it comes to software. If I don't want to use Studio for a month or two, then I have to remember to unsubscribe, But, if I change my mind and I want to dabble for an hour or two and use the extra tools, I have to resubscribe anyway. The added free content is fine for people who want to subscribe for that, but I have more characters than I know what to do with by now. Any of the few I would want, I would buy when my budget allows for it.
Now it's all more trouble and more expensive than it's worth in the long run. I hope Daz will eventually offer the updated plugins in the store, but until then, I will use the older versions for as long as I can.That's just my situation, though.
Appreciate this info, Cybersox
Your Daz+ is up for renewal at the end of the month but you're being offered 15 months of Premier to switch to the higher tier now? That seems unlikely?
yeah that didn't sit well with gamers. Oh recently there was a game called Concord on Playstation 5, gamers that bought the digital found Sony had deleted it of their consoles and disc versions would play the loading screen and that's it it was released on August 23 this year and ended starting 6th September sooo if they can do this what confidence do we have in any other company/subscrition service doing the same thing without warning on a whim
YEAH - I noticed that ominous word "SELECT" too in the Premier tier Coupon description.
The value of the 2 Daz+ coupons to me is that, using one or the other, I am able to get value from the coupons each month when buying either DOs or "old" (not still "NEW") content; in other words, I have MY PICK of ALL PRODUCTS in the store against which I can bring the appropriate coupon to bear. "SELECT" is a word often used in pop-up and other sales at Daz3d where only certain items from a given vendor, or only certain vendors, or certain categories of products are participating in a sale. Given how disproportionately such "Select" selections tend to be largely full of things I have already or do not ever want, I feel very displeased at the thought of having to spend $25 to get $10 discount -instead of a lower $18 threshold to save $6- but especially since I would be forced to pick through a Daz-selected subset of products, instead of just ANY NON-NEW PRODUCT like the current Daz+ PA Coupon. If I am so constrained in using the PA coupon that most months I don't use it, that's a chunk of value I used to have as Daz+ that I will have lost despite paying much more. Given that according to the Daz DIM (which overcounts true product titles owned since it seems often to count each installation PACKAGE for a single product) I have a library of more than 12000 products (just my Daz store items!) I have already, like many others have said, most all legacy and even newer content so I do not see much value is "giving" me as a perk a bunch of stuff I either already bought or have decisively ignored. The export tools, for me, who cares. The coupons and discounts I currently receive from my Daz+ script represent a good value to me, but as nice as it might potentially be to have the ability to do more sculpting/morph creating directly in DS with more control and sophistication than Mesh Grabber etc, the deprecation of the PA coupon and the slight increase to token accrual and discount tier are not sufficient to me at least to double my tribute to Daz simply for the privilege of giving them even more of my money each month. Also: a monthly suck at my bank or CC is just anathema to me nowadays since everybody and everything wants to become one more remora attached to my wallet. I could see myself at least considering Premier (once my current Daz+ subscription expired) IF there was a choice to PAY ONCE for a year, some real value added in the native tool-set of DS, and the ugly word "Select" was stricken from the PA Coupon and replaced by language the same as the current Daz+ PA Coupon. I really doubt there is much hope that whatever bundles and content that Daz will "give" with Premier will ever be a big plus to me, simply because Daz pretty heavily pushes female characters and female-character oriented clothes and accessories, and I'd value more sets, sci-fi assets and males, male clothes and accessories, which is why the Coupons, discount & token perks and additional DS feature set would have to carry the price tag for me.
Has anyone heard any info or whispers regarding the possibility of annual-purchase subscriptions for Premier?
Someone said that they used the $10 off of $25 select items coupon on a mix of DAZ Originals and PA products and it worked, so if that's correct, it's a better coupon than the old $6 off $18 of non-new PA items.
I'm just thankful I was able to grab daz to blender before it was paywalled
The problem is: if I want to get back at least a fraction of the money or its equivalent that I invested in the Daz+ membership, I have no other option than to become a Premier member - at least for the 3 months I was offered. I have nolens-volens agreed and will now test what Premier can do for me.
Wow, thanks for sharing and I am so happy I didn't choose premier because of the tokens. They still are interesting for DOs up to 45% but for PAs only up to 25%. I know we get less content for more money, but still I believe this tier will actually help me to spend much less now and that is why I am not really unhappy about it. Before, I could go crazy at a great sale like the recent PA sale, but this tier, I believe, will help me stay more rational when deciding what to buy.
ETA: @ainm.sloinneadh corrected me, that those changes already took place earlier. I missed that and stay corrected. I still perceive the new tier as chance for dazoholics.
How much was the discount before? I can't remember really well, but I am more or less confident that the first discounts (1-3 tokens) are the same as before, and the extra discunt went down as you added tokens.
The token tiers haven't changed with the new Premier tier. You can still get up to 30% off non DO items. It did change at one point - you used to get a flat cart off amount of 35% or 40% (can't remember which), but that was some time ago now. Beginning of the year maybe? That change was to reduce the non DO discount but increase the DO discount. More complicated, but I think fair as non DO items probably wouldn't give artists enough compensation at the old discounts. The Daz store is a lot cheaper than other stores, and they'll have to carefully balance volume sold and unit price to keep it an attractive place for artists to sell. For non-DO items, Daz is a broker not an owner, so they have to be careful there.
So, as I understand it, I can subscribe to Premier for one month and get a bundle for Lahr for G9 plus the G9 Head and Body morphs, all of which I get to keep if I cancel the subscription. That seems a bargain to me. Perhaps I am in the target audience for this -
Having said that, I still can't believe what a shambolic launch this is. The product clearly is not ready. Luckily for me, I'm not too interested in the new program features so, meh.
As for a customer management strategy that alienates your most loyal customers by devaluing their existing subs, words fail me. I'll still take advantage and just cancel as and when it's no longer of sufficient value to me but if I was a current Daz+ member, I would hold out unti my + sub expired.
A better offer for existing members would surely have been a half-price offer for Premier for the remainder of your sub. And I'd definitely have thrown in a one month trial to all existing Daz+ members. That's how you move people to a new model. You don't do it by appearing to punish them for having dared to take advantage of a subscription sale price that you offered because it suited you at the time. Just how I see it.
Thank you @ainm.sloinneadh, I didn't realize that and stay corrected! Still, what I mean is, if I spend less and DAZ gets more for it, it sounds like a win win to me. I really can't and don't want to continue going nuts over great sales, and this monthly fee really may sort of "ground" me. I understand most customers don't like it, but to dazoholics, this may be a way out.
ETA: I would like to add, that as I pay 19$ and receive $20 + a character bundle in exchange, I rather perceive this tier as a commitment to spend at least about 35$ a month at the DAZ Shop.
Two changes happened to the tokens system monday:
The change of how much discount each token provides is from the beginning of this year, when tokens were introduced back after a couple of months of absence.
That change is only worse for people who are able to keep 6+ rolling tokens active (which means spending at least $90 weekly for 6 tokens, $120 weekly for eight) and used them to buy PAs products: the maximum discount they can enjoy is now 30% instead of 40% and the minimal discount is now 27 instead of 30.
For everyone else:
It does provides a better discount (it's 40% of 25 compared to 33% of 18) but it also require spending more, so wether it's better or worse will depend on everyone situation.
Only if you're using both coupons.
If you are only using the $10 DOs coupon, you are only commited to spend the subscription price per month.
At least in a sense because of course, when you'll see all the deals Daz is sending your way, you'll be tempted to spend more and the 40% discount on $25 offered by the other coupon is still a tempting offer by itself.
The big unknow for me right now: will the bundle coupon be worth something each month. Currently, the bundles selection is from previously released bundles and some people are likely to already have all of them or at least all of the ones they were interested in but from what @Daz_Steve teased, a new bundle should arrive later this week and at least a part of it should be making its way to the Premier bundles selection.
My guess is the Character HD bundles will either replace the Starter Bundle while the Pro will stay as it is or be added alongside the Starter and the Pro bundles but we will all have more informations before the end of the week.