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not a whole lot of options out there, so good luck.
I'm all in favor of a new forum, especially now that DAZ has seen fit to silence the EULA discussion by closing the thread.
Who was it that offered to host it? Are you still there?
I just bought a new hosting and I'm looking how to add a forums to it ^^"
I hope you have a lot of bandwidth with that hosting! Forums consume massive amounts of it.
This has to be the single stupidest decision ever made by DAZ. The overwhelming majority of products sold on other sites rely either directly or indirectly on DAZ products. There have been dozens of times that I ended up purchasing a DAZ model because I liked how it looked with a texture pack from a third party site. If I weren't aware of that texture pack, I NEVER would have bought the model. This goes for other products besides texture packs too (morph packs, add-ons, etc.) By cutting off this resource, you are limiting the appeal of products sold on this site and have given me one less reason to come to these forums. When 'rosity made the same decision a couple of years ago, I stopped frequenting their forums altogether. What the heck is the point of a forum to announce new products for your own site? I go to the store part of the site for that!
I hope you have a lot of bandwidth with that hosting! Forums consume massive amounts of it.
Says "unlimited" so at least supposed to be a lot
Okay, contact me if you'd like some assistance :) I'm familiar with the technical stuff, though I have never managed or moderated a forum.
Okay, contact me if you'd like some assistance :) I'm familiar with the technical stuff, though I have never managed or moderated a forum.
Moderation doesn't require you to be technical :) It just requires a sense of fairness and a huge amount of patience. It's usually not a good idea to bother a forum tech guy with that.
Couldn't agree more..... and yes, the store has a wonderful button called New Releases, very easy to use.
I know, just brought it up in case Kattey wants people with some experience as moderators.
I've done it, but I wouldn't ever want to again. It's a lot of work :(
So it will be an experiment then :) A talky experiment.
So it will be an experiment then :) A talky experiment.
I'm not trying to discourage you, Kattey! I truly am not :) And actually, I wish you luck and if you pull it off, I will join your forum and post there and offer help to others if I can. I will NOT stop posting here (unless I get myself kicked off with my amazing ability to piss off the moderators)...
I don't ask you to stop posting here :) DAZ3D forums had been a might fine place in my memory, I wish others could enjoy them as much as I did.
I undestand. I just don't have the same motivations you do for posting elsewhere. I understand why you are doing this, I just don't happen to agree with it. The end result, however, may be a decent forum that has a lot to offer. Hell, if you play your cards right, DAZ might even end up advertizing on it.
I would, however LOVE to request that, if you do this, you set up a board for 3Delight Rendering and shader development.
Hurray!
Regardless of anyone's individual opinions, I think we could all use a place not linked to a big store to discuss things.
I don't know what there is to disagree with. Fact is, certain things cannot be discussed here and we want to set up an environment that doesn't have such restrictions.
I don't have any (well, much) ill will towards DAZ; they are a business and as such their actions are reasonable and understandable. (Just to be clear, I'm talking about their forum TOS which is fine, not the EULA fiasco)
Also, yes, you can have your subforum as far as I'm concerned :) I'm not in charge though, so ultimately it's up to Kattey of course.
I have the perfect place in mind. I contacted the owner and he is all for it.
He just wants to contact the rest of the staff first.
The irony of these last few pages is not lost on us.
Here are customers on the DAZ forums discussing how they can set up their own forums and take their discussions elsewhere.
Wanting to do it in order to be free of any business restrictions whatsoever is one thing, using the DAZ forums to plan and gain support for it is another.
...Customers?
The irony of this label after recent events is not lost on me.
Ironic? How?
Like rain on your wedding day?
Like a free ride when you've already paid?
Like good advice that you just didn't take? :coolmad:
Or like a bunch of your loyal customers abandoning your forum (or store, or 3D art) because it's making them miserable?
Who would've thought?
Just to be clear: I'm not asking for any support here, not for donations, not for volunteers, nothing like that, not even to go and visit any other places. I'm ok with DAZ3D current rules about link policy and things like that. Less than everything I want to be ungrateful to DAZ3D who gave me a very good personal experience in years past up to this day and hopefully will give further.
Now I actually feel bad for even talking about the talky experiment -_-
I'm game for a new forum. Anywhere else but here.
Just waiting on *REAL* customer service to contact me and my BBB complaint to be looked in to.
The irony is lost on me. You might think this ironic if my only issue was commercial posting, but that's not the case. There are many other topics we can't talk about here.
Also, this isn't about revenge. It's about freedom of expression and protest. This is like me walking into a restaurant with some friends whilst discussing rather loudly how to set up an alternative... restaurant or something (I'm too tired for this). The restaurant owner would be free to kick me out, and so are you. (On second thought that analogy is utter garbage, but I trust you get the point) (Edit #2 Actually, no, you probably won't. Just disregard it completely, it's missing the point entirely)
There was a time when DAZ was my #1 favorite company, because as far as I was concerned you had cool products and impeccable service. But then things started going downhill, and I'm feeling increasingly uncomfortable with... well, various things. I'm not leaving, nor am I encouraging anyone else to do so. This is simply no longer the kind of place where I feel like relaxing and having a laugh while not having to worry too much about the forbidden subject of the week.
I can see the point of not allowing outside advertising and influence on Daz's dime, but I don't see where there's really an issue with discussing an alternative means of communicating within this thread. It might not feel like the most pleasant topic, but it is fully related. There was an outlet here, it was available to everyone, and utilized. It had the ability to maybe draw people in, and to be able to keep customers gathered in one place.
When the choice was made to remove that resource, you (collectively, not individually) must have considered that it then leaves a void and leaves open the opportunity for someone else to fill that void. It's part of the trade off and the consequence. It would seem obvious that, in the discussions about changing these conditions and rules, it was considered that people would look for someone else. The advantage of the planning and discussion of it being in this thread is simply that people are still coming here to read it, and get information on where a new meeting place will be. During this, they are also cooling down, feeling more hopefully about future communication, and paying attention to the Daz forums still. It's likely that many that join the new forum will still visit Daz after that simply because the frustration has abated, and habits die hard.
I'd be more concerned if the conversation wasn't being made here, and was instead in a competing forum or worse, secretly. This is more of a "There's a problem at Daz for us, but we still want to be part of it..let's solve the problem." If it was behind your back, or spurred on by another company with a vested interest in moving customers away from you, then it would be laced with malice.
In this case, it's just people looking for a place to be able to do what they used to do here, without having to turn away from Daz in order to do it.
It looks to me as if they only have a very small number of members. It´s the same people posting over and over, often without anyone else ever reacting to their posts.
it's not so much as small membership as it is a growing one... sadly like most sites even big ones like here the vast majority don't post and simply join for access to the freebies... if more people post the forums will become more active ( I know the site owner has complained about the large number of members but that no-one bothers posting...)... also it's a relatively new site so it's still undergoing growing pains... I simply pointed it out as an alternative because it offers something that Daz now doesn't... I'm sure if it gets more members that want to be actively involved then the forums there will become more active as well...
Membership is usually fairly quick but bear with them I'm sure it'll get sorted shortly...
Maybe before people start to make large decisions like canceling accounts and letting hounds of BBB free... maybe we can just cool down a bit? Maybe DAZ3D need a bit of time to think about what it learnt from this topic? It is a company, remember, decisions aren't something they can make quickly. Their next meeting probably next week. Hopefully things will be better by then.
New EULA is better, btw, once stupid part got removed.
(except I'm pretty sure retroactive part is not ok with laws here)
I would have, had they actually responded to my concern in some way instead of repeatedly ignoring it [after Ann was kind enough to make certain it was mentioned] and then closing the related discussion thread.
I love DAZ, I really do. I love the staff I've interacted with. I always have. I'll still stick around for the community if I'm allowed. There are some great discussions here, great humor, great work. I just can't tolerate having any financial ties with the company itself after what happened.
Their next meeting might well change that. :)