Never Let Ledhead Name a Complaint Thread Complaint Thread

Mistara

Kyoto Kid said:

...more mom's day complaints:

First, I think all packaging designers have something in for us arthritics and thus need to be drawn & quartered.

So often I need to get a scissors of knife to open even what they call "Easy Open" packages. Having no grip makes it very difficult to get any leverage, and often when said opening does give, the entire package rips completely apart spilling the contents all over (usually the floor). Just this morning I was about to make hotcakes. Opened the box and there was one of those nefarious sealed wax sacks inside with the tab long the side that "supposedly" should make it simply pop open with a slight pull. Well, tug on is as I may the sack remand sealed tight, until the tab tore down the side of the bag releasing most of the powdery mix into the carton itself. So had to go dig out a large plastic container to dump everything into from both what was left in the sack and what was in the bottom of the carton before I could even start brekkie today.

Next: Windows 7 setup. OK Win 8 is a garrish mess I never want to deal with, however as I recently discovered, Win7 has it's annoying quirks as well (one of which I mentioned above). My workstation is set up to log me on automatically at start up as I am the only one using it so there is no login password required. Now even though I have Administrator status, I find I am locked out of a number of folders that I should have access to. I never had this issue with XP on which I had the same startup setup. Now in XP critical functions are placed in "hidden folders". With admin status I was able to "unhide" and thus gain full access to them. In 7 I can unhide them, but unlike XP it places this little "lock" on the icon and when when I click it, I get an "Access Denied" warning.

...ummm, excuse me, this is my system, not the Lockheed Skunkworks, DARPA, or New Scotland Yard. I should have access to everything on it. Nothing in the control panel offers any insight on how to change this. I'm not even allowed to change permissions manually (even though I am shown as the system's administrator).

Almost makes me want to go online and look for a copy of XP Pro 64 and roll back to something I can understand and use (of course that would mean trashing everything I've done so far over these last several months and having to spend another couple setting everything up again).

pancake rescue!

Mistara

squirrel siting :)
http://www.daz3d.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/e/l/elven-nymph-3.jpg

render buckets move a lots slower when rt bounces are = 10 and pixel samples = 35.

played some zoo tycoon dinosaur digs. dinosaurs are hungry a lot. and they leave big dinosaur poos. i hads to keep giving zoo scientists a lift to get to the hard to get to dinosaur poo.

Mistara

M F M said:

lordvicore said:

Not to interrupt, but can someone tell me why only like 5 electronics manufactures in the known galaxy can be bothered with putting their logo or name on a damn adapter pack? ...

Have the same problem - trying to keep track of which pack goes with which device >_<. I got the feeling it was because there is a single secret monopolistic power pack manufacturer out there somewhere, that absolutely _everybody_ has to get their power pack from... and so they don't get any custom labelling, just the generic "5V ∞Amps" (>_<).</div>

wuh ohs, don't cross the streams! remember what happened in ghostbusters!

Mistara

i don't understand why the space station doesn't fall down ... consequently, if there really is no gravity at the space station, why doesn't it float away? how can you have it both ways? how far is it from the space station's orbit to the moon's orbit? lucky they aren't bumping into each other up there, or is it? how long has the moon been hanging around up there? more than a million years?

kyoto kid

...double post because of Cloudflare sutipdity

kyoto kid

...triple post. because of both Cloudflare and Magento stupidity. See rant below.

kyoto kid

Jaderail said:

tjohn said:

Kyoto Kid said:

...so "full" means having the slider at the bottom then.

I do have the complete Norton IS suite, though this is something I feel they should have kept as two different functions instead of rolling them into one. I'd feel better keeping the Net part of it cranked up high.

Sounds like MS doesn't want people running around with sharp pointy objects in their hands anymore. ;-)

Win7 and Win8 were written to protect stupid people from themselves. MS apparently also felt that 99.9% of users were in that category.
There is a serious need for an "I already know how to use a freaking computer" setting for those particular operating systems.

Nods head very vigorously at this one. :lol:
...well that didn't work. Still can't change permissions and still locked out of folders. THIS IS GETTING ME REALLY IRRITATED as it is messing up my installs of Daz Studio and getting in the way of my work!!!!!

I have done just about everything damned near imaginable and I'm still locked out of folders and processes on my OWN BLOODY DAMNED SYSTEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I want to fraggin kick both Bill Gates and Paul Allen in their collective arses for making this so stupid! I'm not a blasted IT specialist damn it!!!!!!

I'm about to pull the plug on the whole bleedin' mess wipe this rubbish off my HD, sell everything off, and forget about ever doing 3D CG ever again!!!!!

...apologies for the harsh rant however I didn't spend 1,200 USD on a tight budget and eighteen months to learn how to design and build a system just to deal with as much (if not more) grief and failure as I had working in 32 bit.

This is supposed to be relaxing for me. It is definitely become NOT!

....bugger even bleedin' Cloudflare is against me tonight as I got that blasted blank form gain after submitting. This is beyond ludicrous! Why cant these people make bloody software that actually works for instead of against the user?

...and on top of it I get a Magento not able to post error.

I'm totally fed up with this rubbish!

M F M

Kyoto Kid said:

...Now even though I have Administrator status, I find I am locked out of a number of folders that I should have access to. I never had this issue with XP on which I had the same startup setup. Now in XP critical functions are placed in "hidden folders". With admin status I was able to "unhide" and thus gain full access to them. In 7 I can unhide them, but unlike XP it places this little "lock" on the icon and when when I click it, I get an "Access Denied" warning. ...

I've read your subsequent posts KK and know you're getting a bit hot under the collar... but exactly which folders are you trying to access, getting that error?

(I've recently upgraded to Win7 as well, from a long spell on XP -- _some_ of the folders you see under Win7 are actually symlinks, ie Not Really There... if you're trying to get into C:\Documents and Settings\... then you should look for that info under C:\Users\... if you're trying to get into what was C:\Documents and Settings\KyotoKid\Application Data\... then you should look for that under C:\Users\KyotoKid\AppData\Roaming\... to be more specifically helpful, we really need to know exactly which folders are stressing you out... (v/\v) ).

kyoto kid

..the Locked Folders are as follows:

C/Programme Data/Application Data: this is where log files are stored which I need to review when applications crash or lock up on me.

C/Programme Data/Local Settings

C/Programme Data/Documents: this is where Daz 4.5 and 3 Advanced supposedly install to.

C/Programme Data/Start Menu

C:/Documents and Settings: This is where the Application Data folder resides.

C:/System/Volume Information

C:/Users/Default User (which I guess I am as I am the only one on the system and most likely where my account settings are stored)

In XP I had access to all of these.

I also feel some of the locked folders have to with why both 4.5 and 3Advanced ended up installing some of their components in the wrong locations which I feel is the cause of the instability I have been experiencing.

This most likely would never have occurred had I been using XP Pro 64 for as like Jaderail mentioned, XP didn't have that "protect the system from the user" rubbish to deal with. I feel; this is the root of my ills and there seems to be nothing I can do about it.

M F M

Right. You've been bitten by the "Junction Point" feature of Windows 7. You are _not_ going crazy - and the system is not maliciously trying to hide files and data from you. There is perhaps a gap in understanding here. Have you had experience with Unix 'symbolic links' before? (I can't remember what your history with computing was...).

(( executive summary: you can start a Command Prompt and run the following command:

C:\> dir /aL /s /p

This will show you the final destination of most of those "locked" folders. Redirect output to a textfile as desired. ))

I've run that command above, with the following results:

Kyoto Kid said:

C/Programme Data/Application Data/
The contents of this directory can now be found directly within C:/ProgramData.

Kyoto Kid said:

C/Programme Data/Local Settings
The contents of this directory can now be found in C:/users/KyotoKid/AppData/Local.

Kyoto Kid said:

C/Programme Data/Documents
The contents of this directory can now be found in C:/users/Public/Documents, or possibly C:/users/KyotoKid/Documents.

Kyoto Kid said:

C/Programme Data/Start Menu
The contents of this directory can now be found in C:/ProgramData/Microsoft/Windows/Start Menu.

Kyoto Kid said:

C:/Documents and Settings
The equivalent of this directory is now C:/users. However, for a particular user, you will also found Application Data under C:/users/KyotoKid/AppData/Roaming/.
C:/System/Volume Information

Not quite sure what you're looking for in here. There is a hidden "C:/System Volume Information/" folder, however it doesn't contain anything that operators (ie us) can use.
C:/Users/Default User

The equivalent of this directory is now C:/users/Default.
... (which I guess I am as I am the only one on the system and most likely where my account settings are stored)

Maybe, maybe not. You can confirm this by having a look under C:/users/Default/Documents/ and seeing if you recognise anything there, or under C:/users/Default/Desktop/ to see if there are all the icons that you expect to find from your desktop, or C:/users/Default/Favorites/ to see if there are any shortcuts there you recognise. If you don't see everything you expect under C:/users/Default, take a look under C:/users/Public, or even C:/users/Administrator... all your shortcuts and data WILL be there, somewhere. It's just a matter of locating where.

In XP I had access to all of these.
In Win7, what you're seeing is a bunch of 'shortcut' redirectors to where those files/dirs now are - enough for applications to still function, but set to not allow user traversal within Explorer. Microsoft couldn't _remove_ the 'old way' completely (ie remove C:/Documents and Settings/ in favour of C:/users/), because then that would break all software pre-Win7 that used the paths. Consequently, they opted for the next best thing, which was to provide "junction points" (aka symlinks) that would redirect _software_ to the right place, but still prevent the user from using the Old System. I certainly agree that the error message could be a whole lot more useful (eg automatically redirecting your Explorer to the Right Place, or even putting into the message "Sorry, this is a junction point to support the old filesystem layout. Please refer to C:/xyz/foo/bar for the new location").

... I feel; this is the root of my ills and there seems to be nothing I can do about it.
I suspect with a little more judicious reading, and some comparing between live systems, you'll be able to get on top of the Win7 filesystem changes. Perhaps not tonight, or right now, but certainly in the next few days/week or so. I'll keep an eye out for further questions - HTH.

ETA: I just read your comment in the Render thread - your logfile will be found under C:/users/KyotoKid/AppData/Roaming/Daz 3D/Studio4/log.txt ... replace the "KyotoKid" with either Public, Default, or Administrator (or if you have other entries, check them as well until you find one with a datestamp of 'when you last ran DS').

ETA2: for completeness, I found the following links interesting to read:
http://www.svrops.com/svrops/articles/jpoints.htm
http://w3.unisa.edu.au/ists/Staff/Purchasing/Software/OperatingSystems/Windows7/differences.asp

kyoto kid

...the C/Programme Data folder is one of the locked ones I cannot access.

The other thing with this is these locked folders are most likely what have been screwing with the install of 4.5 on my system as the app will not install any components to a locked folder (eg C:/Documents/My Documents not C:/Users/Documents). This is why I think all the UberEnvrionment/Lights/Surface, HSS and Shader Mixer/Baker content ended up in the Programme Files folder by default where it is not supposed to reside in Win7.

This in turn is also why (according to what I have been told) I have been experiencing infinite looping when trying to apply these elements to a mesh (which is causing the "Not Responding" hang ups), and why I am probably getting Shader Baking errors and 3Delight alerts during rendering.

My other point is if MS wanted older software to use the original paths, why did they mess with changing things as all instead of just leaving them the way they were? Would have kept things a bit simpler compared to all this shortcut/redirect rubbish. It's just like the Office 2010 apps, they put more steps in the way of doing what were once very simple and basic tasks that were easily accessible from the old menu bar and though hotkeys (the latter which they totally bollixed up).

I would think if you wanted to make this stuff easier to use so more people would want it, you'd make it more simple and elegant rather than complicated and clumsy.

M F M

Kyoto Kid said:

...the C/Programme Data folder is one of the locked ones I cannot access.
Ok that's odd - on my system (and I'm not an Admin), my folder does not have the lock symbol - but I do see it on C:\Documents and Settings et al. If you right-click on the C:/ProgramData/ folder, select Properties... then select the Security tab... when you click through the entries in the 'Group or user names' list at the top, watch what happens in the Allow column in the lower list.

In my case, I have four entries in the "Group or user names" list - CREATOR OWNER, SYSTEM, Administrators, and Users. Selecting CREATOR OWNER gives me no ticks, SYSTEM and Administrators have all but the bottom entry ("Special permissions") ticked, and Users has only "Read & execute", "List folder contents", and "Read" ticked. What do you get?

My other point is if MS wanted older software to use the original paths, why did they mess with changing things as all instead of just leaving them the way they were? ...

One word: 'Progre$$'.

(slightly less cynically - from a design point of view, shortcomings were identified after the previous system had been 'in the field' for a number of years, and _theoretically_ those shortcomings were addressed by the designers of Win7... that is, if you're optimistic enough to allow for intelligence on the part of software engineering... >_<).</p> Disclaimer: I am a software engineer (~_~)n... or at least that's what it says on my Position Description.

kyoto kid

...when I do so this is what comes up:

"Everyone"
"System"
"My account name (with the Computer name\)"
"Administrators. (with the Computer name\Adminsitrators)"

"Everyone" shows no permissions checked
the other three show everything but "Special Permissions" checked.

....however, all check marks show up in "grey" instead of "black" as if something isn't "active".

When I check my user status it indicates that it is "Administrator".

As I am the only one on this system (since I live alone) I have the boot up set to automatically log me in just as I do on my old XP32 notebook (on which I have never experienced these issues at all) so there is no sign on screen or password prompt when I start up.

...well it is getting late (01:00 local time here) and my brain hurts in a major league way from all this. Been a totally non productive (3D wise) and frustrating several days.

I need to get to bed. Will be back online sometime tomorrow morning (09:00 - 10:00 PST).

If I could afford it, I'd just have a professional IT tech come in and fix the bloody mess for me.

ps1borg

From memory and MS help a blunt force solution from a command line owned by an Administrator is

TAKEOWN /A /F C:

TAKEOWN /F C:

Gives the Admin and account holder ownership of all files on logical drive C:

very long URL

M F M

Would that be safe Ps1? ... I thought there were more than a few system logs and files and stuff buried under C:\windows that would not appreciate being changed ownership from to ... ?

ps1borg

Misty Whisky said:

i don't understand why the space station doesn't fall down ... consequently, if there really is no gravity at the space station, why doesn't it float away? how can you have it both ways? how far is it from the space station's orbit to the moon's orbit? lucky they aren't bumping into each other up there, or is it? how long has the moon been hanging around up there? more than a million years?

Gravity sucks. All objects have gravity. A particular object's gravity plus the sum of all other objects in the universe gravity sucks a groove in space time, like grooves on a vinyl record. The object rolls along its groove like a needle on a playhead. You can work out where the groove is using math, and place an object like the space station in a groove appropriate to where you want it to be.

ps1borg

M F M said:

Would that be safe Ps1? ... I thought there were more than a few system logs and files and stuff buried under C:\windows that would not appreciate being changed ownership from to ... ?

Percussive maintenance has consequences yes. Log and cache files will be reinitialised where needed tho :)

TJohn

ps1borg said:

Misty Whisky said:

i don't understand why the space station doesn't fall down ... consequently, if there really is no gravity at the space station, why doesn't it float away? how can you have it both ways? how far is it from the space station's orbit to the moon's orbit? lucky they aren't bumping into each other up there, or is it? how long has the moon been hanging around up there? more than a million years?

Gravity sucks. All objects have gravity. A particular object's gravity plus the sum of all other objects in the universe gravity sucks a groove in space time, like grooves on a vinyl record. The object rolls along its groove like a needle on a playhead. You can work out where the groove is using math, and place an object like the space station in a groove appropriate to where you want it to be.
Huh?
I'm not sure what you said is incorrect, but being an Idiot™ myself, I found the answer at this link easier for my tiny brain to grasp.
http://idiotsguides.com/static/quickguides/sciencenature/quick-q-and-a-how-does-the-space-station-stay-in-orbit.html

ps1borg

tjohn said:

ps1borg said:

Misty Whisky said:

i don't understand why the space station doesn't fall down ... consequently, if there really is no gravity at the space station, why doesn't it float away? how can you have it both ways? how far is it from the space station's orbit to the moon's orbit? lucky they aren't bumping into each other up there, or is it? how long has the moon been hanging around up there? more than a million years?

Gravity sucks. All objects have gravity. A particular object's gravity plus the sum of all other objects in the universe gravity sucks a groove in space time, like grooves on a vinyl record. The object rolls along its groove like a needle on a playhead. You can work out where the groove is using math, and place an object like the space station in a groove appropriate to where you want it to be.

Huh?
I'm not sure what you said is incorrect, but being an Idiot™ myself, I found the answer at this link easier for my tiny brain to grasp.
http://idiotsguides.com/static/quickguides/sciencenature/quick-q-and-a-how-does-the-space-station-stay-in-orbit.html

Many paths, one destination :)

TJohn

Non-Complaint.
Speaking of the Space Station.... :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KaOC9danxNo

Chohole

tjohn said:

Non-Complaint.
Speaking of the Space Station.... :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KaOC9danxNo

Cool cover version. :coolsmile:

Woolyloach

Kyoto Kid said:

Woolyloach said:

Pretty smiling girl drop!

...Nice, so how has 4.6 been treating you so far?

Complaint:

Still experiencing stability issues with my install of 4.5.1.56 (freeze ups and crashes to the desktop) as it apparently placed some built in content (like all the Omnifreaker HSS, US, and UE stuff) in the Programmme FIles folder which in Win7 is not advised.

All that time and money to build a system with enough horsepower to get things running smoothly and I still feel like I'm on my old 32 bit system.

Since I see no other way of fixing this without uninstalling/reinstalling both versions and remapping all my directories again, Figuring I may just give 4.6 a try. Only hope it doesn't hose anything I'm currently working on.

Meh, that's pretty complaint-worthy! :gulp:

For me, 4.6 is pretty stable. I haven't really pushed it as of yet, but it does seem to be smooth and quick, o no complaints. Pretty Girl up there had 1 raytraced shadowcasting light and an UberEnvironment with a shaing rate of 0.8 and it rendered in 3 minutes on my wheezy i5 laptop! :bug: More than acceptable. :)

The install was smooth and painless, and it didn't appear to put anything in an Unfortunate Place(tm).

Tonight, I'm going to install my pwStuff and see what happens.

I don't know if it'll replace PPro 2012, but it sure is easy to work with. :)

Woolyloach

ps1borg said:

Woolyloach said:

Pretty smiling girl drop!

Real nice, lovely smile :)

Thank you... :red: I'm in learn mode again, so hopefully I'll produce better and better images!

Got a zoot suit for M4 this weekend, wheeeeeeee! :)

Woolyloach

Complaint: hot and humid already, going to be a sauna on the way home. Woke up too early and couldn't get back to sleep, so I came to work and arrived at 7:15am before anyone else was here (and got a lot of questions when they did arrive). And my darn snout wont stop itching! :blank:

Non-complaints: No boss! :snake: It'll be a slow week so I can take my time fixing a few minor bugs in the firmware for the project I inherited.

54 in 7 days. :gulp: Time to purchase a walker... :blank:

Richard Haseltine

KK:

Log file is in C:\Users\You\AppData\Roaming\DAZ 3D\Studio 4, along with saved layouts and all the other stuff that was in Documents and settings...Application Data under XP. There's also a Studio 3 folder for DS3.

Your content, by default, goes in \DAZ 3D\Studio\My Library in your Documents folder (C:\Users\You\Documents) for DS4 and to \DAZ 3D\Studio 3\Content for DS3.

Your applications will be in C:\Program Files (64 bit) or C:\Programme Files (x86) (32 bit).

Most of the folders you list don't exist on Vista and later, applications never should have had hard-coded paths to them (after all, several included the suer name and so varied from system to system) but used and use environment variables to obtain the correct location for the system.

Kyoto Kid said:

..the Locked Folders are as follows:

C/Programme Data/Application Data: this is where log files are stored which I need to review when applications crash or lock up on me.

C/Programme Data/Local Settings

C/Programme Data/Documents: this is where Daz 4.5 and 3 Advanced supposedly install to.

C/Programme Data/Start Menu

C:/Documents and Settings: This is where the Application Data folder resides.

C:/System/Volume Information

C:/Users/Default User (which I guess I am as I am the only one on the system and most likely where my account settings are stored)

In XP I had access to all of these.

I also feel some of the locked folders have to with why both 4.5 and 3Advanced ended up installing some of their components in the wrong locations which I feel is the cause of the instability I have been experiencing.

This most likely would never have occurred had I been using XP Pro 64 for as like Jaderail mentioned, XP didn't have that "protect the system from the user" rubbish to deal with. I feel; this is the root of my ills and there seems to be nothing I can do about it.

Sfariah D

Is there any way to bring Genesis into Microsoft paint?

Richard Haseltine

Kulay Wolf said:

Is there any way to bring Genesis into Microsoft paint?

Render and save as jpg or bmp

Sfariah D

Richard Haseltine said:

Kulay Wolf said:

Is there any way to bring Genesis into Microsoft paint?

Render and save as jpg or bmp

Okay Thanks!

Woolyloach

Argh, a DAZ Salew got me! :down: :down:

Steampunk stuff on sale, I got a killer zeppelin and some seamless patina textures to metal it up with. :red: :red:

Finally bought glasses for Mike and Vicky at RNDA, and a psycho clown from Rendo, filling in the (very few) gaps in my runtime.

I might start investing in DS shaders if things keep moving along nicely, DS is easier to use on the laptop than Poser is. :blank:

Yum jalapeno tater chips! :)

Skiriki

I'm gonna recommend Gemologica, Wooly. It kicketh butt.