New clothing still looks like stiff tubes

fixmypcmike

nonesuch00 said:

Fixmypcmike said:

nonesuch00 said:

So we had confirmation that the wishlist is often the 1st stop for a product before it is bought. That's very significant to a marketing strategy and marketing analysis.

It's only after a sufficient time does the probability of purchase decrease significantly and that has more to do with antiquated technology or nearly identical new versions of wishlisted models that use newer technology.

My DAZ 3D wishlist gets used as well as my Amazon wishlist and other wishlists. When something falls off or is ignored in a wishlist it's because of improved tech usually and often because a competitor offered a better product at a cheaper price or it was available at another store. I have hardly any faddish sort of products on my wishlists and I have learned to shop around although I'm not the shopping type. And let's face it, there are other hobbies besides DAZ 3D that can compete for discretionary income of potential customers. I often spend money on those too.

Again, all we have is confirmation that a couple of people use it that way.  Daz 3D would know whether that's common -- from what I hear, it appears that in aggregate, wishlisting seldom leads to sales, at least in a time period/quantity/price that contributes significantly to a product's success.

That's not what was said earlier. A more general statement was made that only regarded a low percentage of people now buying a wishlisted item is low after passage of delta time which implies if the time delta is a short enough time span then quite a bit of what gets wishlisted gets bought. If only a couple of people buys a wishlisted item after a X days and only a couple of people buy the same wishlisted item after X+1+infinity days then that statement Frank made makes no sense.

What Frank said had nothing to do with whether "the wishlist is often the 1st stop for a product before it is bought".  All he said was that if something stays in the wishlist for more than a certain amount of time it is unlikely to turn into a sale.  From what PA's have said, they don't have that data, but Daz 3D does, and apparently the result of Daz 3D's analysis is that wishlisting isn't a useful indicator of product success.  But as I'm inferring from what PA's have said over the years, I may be misinterpreting the situation.

Male-M3dia

agent unawares said:

Male-M3dia said:

Leana said:

agent unawares said:

Male-M3dia said:

agent unawares said:

Male-M3dia said:

I didn't address single individuals

"when the item is made, the person requesting it posts, "Thanks, I've wishlisted it"

That's a very clear reference to a single peurson.

 

Male-M3dia said:

This isn't stated as a guilt trip

"you've just wasted the vendor's time" is a guilt trip. No one has wasted a vendor's time by not buying something. Ever. Period. If anyone creates a product relying on one person to buy it they should be doing it as commission.

 

Male-M3dia said:

So when you tell a vendor you've put something on a wishlist, knowing that items stay on wish lists for years, it actually means nothing because it has a net value of $0.

Yes, it's completely reasonable to say wishlisting means nothing. It's just a compliment. This is not the sentiment I took issue with.

I'm sure you want to argue the point but when I say something,  I said what I said.

You sure did. You told people that not buying something was wasting a vendor's time. That's incorrect guilt-tripping nonsense. I'm not sure what point you think I'm arguing.

No, he said that when you ask a vendor to create something and then don't buy it when it's done you are wasting a vendor's time, as the vendor did something on your request and got nothing from you in return. Of course the vendor certainly didn't expect to sell it to you only, and hopefully other buyers might make up for the time invested (or not).

That's why a lot of vendors won't create items based on requests.

Thank you, Leana. No vendor just sells to one person. That would be called a **commission** or a **freebie** and done a different way. Not sure why this was even argued like this.

This is my exact point. You weren't talking about commissions or freebies, you were talking about store items pitched to everyone not made for one individual customer, hence no individual customer has "wasted your time" by not buying something.

 

Are  you sure that's what you said originally? This was your comment on the previous page.

Again, let's move on.

Male-M3dia

Serene Night said:

I don’t see the equivalency. Clothing props aren’t people. They are items vended for sale.  

That's not the equivelancy I'm talking about. Here's a receipt, can you tell me how this doesn't shame vendors?

agent unawares

Male-M3dia said:

agent unawares said:

Male-M3dia said:

Leana said:

agent unawares said:

Male-M3dia said:

agent unawares said:

Male-M3dia said:

I didn't address single individuals

"when the item is made, the person requesting it posts, "Thanks, I've wishlisted it"

That's a very clear reference to a single peurson.

 

Male-M3dia said:

This isn't stated as a guilt trip

"you've just wasted the vendor's time" is a guilt trip. No one has wasted a vendor's time by not buying something. Ever. Period. If anyone creates a product relying on one person to buy it they should be doing it as commission.

 

Male-M3dia said:

So when you tell a vendor you've put something on a wishlist, knowing that items stay on wish lists for years, it actually means nothing because it has a net value of $0.

Yes, it's completely reasonable to say wishlisting means nothing. It's just a compliment. This is not the sentiment I took issue with.

I'm sure you want to argue the point but when I say something,  I said what I said.

You sure did. You told people that not buying something was wasting a vendor's time. That's incorrect guilt-tripping nonsense. I'm not sure what point you think I'm arguing.

No, he said that when you ask a vendor to create something and then don't buy it when it's done you are wasting a vendor's time, as the vendor did something on your request and got nothing from you in return. Of course the vendor certainly didn't expect to sell it to you only, and hopefully other buyers might make up for the time invested (or not).

That's why a lot of vendors won't create items based on requests.

Thank you, Leana. No vendor just sells to one person. That would be called a **commission** or a **freebie** and done a different way. Not sure why this was even argued like this.

This is my exact point. You weren't talking about commissions or freebies, you were talking about store items pitched to everyone not made for one individual customer, hence no individual customer has "wasted your time" by not buying something.

 

Are  you sure that's what you said originally?

Pretty sure. Let's check out my first post in the thread!

agent unawares said:

Male-M3dia said:

Daywalker Designs said:

retiretomaui said:

Serene Night said:

I agree. The current male releases are amateurish. We have so little male clothing to begin with. When something looks doughy or painted on people don’t buy it and it contributes to the whole men’s stuff doesn’t sell.

Nicely put. I really want more male clothing items. Right now, I'm searching through older M4 items to tru to find what I need, with little luck. What I have found useful is to use the Genesis/M4/V4 clothing items and figures as background fodder.  I render on a nice laptop, but in the end it is a laptop with more limited system resources than a full-on desktop rig. Those older clothing bits are perfect for reducing system resources but I agree that we need far better modern mens' clothing, especially for Genesis 3 males. There are some nice things out there, but not nearly as much given the number of male Gen 3 characters there are. I have a feeling that whomever releases a modern, up to date and accurate set of  sci-fi starship uniforms (and not the battlemech type, a real uniform set) will be earning a whole ton of cash. That's just one idea. I'm sure there are many others.

 

.Accurate and properly fitting = profit.

 

There is a flaw in thinking here. Just because you and others say you will by something isn't enough to encourage PAs to make what you want, because there have been plenty of times where they do it and the ones asking for it the most do not end up buying the product, and they know it.

Yes. I've seen lots of instances where there is a forum request and when the item is made, the person requesting it posts, "Thanks, I've wishlisted it" 

Wishlisting isn't a sale and you've just wasted the vendor's time when they could have spent the time making something that would have generated sales.

Where are you going with this guilt trip? Vendors do not make items hoping to sell to one single person.

EDIT: Your highlighted bit of my post literally backs me up, so I have no idea where you're going with this. You were taking mass-marketed uncommissioned items, and saying individuals who were interested in similar items but didn't buy yours had somehow wasted your time. I pointed out that accusing single individuals of wasting your time makes no sense for mass marketed uncommissioned items.

agent unawares

Male-M3dia said:

Serene Night said:

I don’t see the equivalency. Clothing props aren’t people. They are items vended for sale.  

That's not the equivelancy I'm talking about. Here's a receipt, can you tell me how this doesn't shame vendors?

That's not shaming vendors, it's a comment on item quality. Just like "you waste vendors' time by wishlisting items" is shaming customers while "the forums are a terrible way to gauge the market" is a comment on data quality.

Daywalker Designs

agent unawares said:

Male-M3dia said:

 

Pretty sure. Let's check out my first post in the thread!

And as I pointed out, what if the one that posts isn't the only one to wishlist the product, for whatever reason? And while DAZ PAs don't have a way to see this, at least one other store does provide the ability for the vendors to see who has wishlisted one of their products.

agent unawares

Daywalker Designs said:

agent unawares said:

Male-M3dia said:

 

Pretty sure. Let's check out my first post in the thread!

And as I pointed out, what if the one that posts isn't the only one to wishlist the product, for whatever reason?

I've already responded to this, my response is the same.

Daywalker Designs said:

And while DAZ PAs don't have a way to see this, at least one other store does provide the ability for the vendors to see who has wishlisted one of their products.

This is completely irrelevant to what I'm saying, which is that customers are not actually obligated to purchase items that fall in a category they've expressed interest in, and thus they are not wasting a vendor's time by wishlisting things.

Let me put it again.

No one is entitled to sales.

Serene Night

Male-M3dia said:

Serene Night said:

I don’t see the equivalency. Clothing props aren’t people. They are items vended for sale.  

That's not the equivelancy I'm talking about. Here's a receipt, can you tell me how this doesn't shame vendors?

I clearly state in the post you quoted me in that I'm talking about products for sale  not people.

Novica

I've never heard that Rendo lets vendors see the wishlisting customers- I pointed out this last summer (based on what Rendo actually said, and I linked it) that the vendors saw who BOUGHT a product. And there was a detailed discussion here about how Daz does NOT give that info to vendors. But nothing was ever said (that I saw) about seeing which customers wishlisted, or what products were wishlisted. May I ask where you got that? Or are you talking about a different site? 

Personally speaking, wishlisting is a waste of time, the items don't leave when purchased. VERY annoying so although I use Ati's app, most of the time it's "Already got that. Got that. Got that."

 

 

Male-M3dia

Serene Night said:

Male-M3dia said:

Serene Night said:

I don’t see the equivalency. Clothing props aren’t people. They are items vended for sale.  

That's not the equivelancy I'm talking about. Here's a receipt, can you tell me how this doesn't shame vendors?

I clearly state in the post you quoted me in that I'm talking about products for sale  not people.

So the products made themselves or the products are made by vendors? Let's be honest, calling products amateurish is an insult not a compliment. It is what is is and you can't debate any different when your post is presented as receipt. I appreciate the effort though. As I said it's interesting that people that are lobbing insults, shaming the work of PAs are concerned about customer shaming. It is what is is. 

Let's move on.

Rashad Carter

We as users need to realize that vendors simply cannot and will not see things from the perspective of the purchasers because they do not have that luxury.

It shouldnt be too big of a leap to imagine that 1000 items wishlisted means $0 for the vendor.

In theory, you could wishlist your favorite server at your favorite restaurant. Indeed. It's like going to a full service restaurant, having a great meal; and then thanking you waiter with all the flowery words in the dictionary but leaving not a single dollar as a tip. Hey, I know the service I gave you was great. And hearing you say thanks would mean so very much if I was in the need of such validation. But I didnt get out of bed and come here to serve you just to receive a smile, I need you to demonstrate your happiness with a monetary tip. Your smiles simply aren't enough. Smiles are however greatly welcomed, but in addition to the monetary support.

I personally have never understood the logic behind wishlists. But then again I am by no means a power purchaser. I buy or I don't.

After more than a decade I have a huge catalogue of items purchased only occassionally. None of them based on any wishlist.

The simple fact remains that if you are unhappy with the level of content the first step is to produce a bit of your own to see if you can do any better. If you cannot do any better, then what real space do you have to make comment? Being annoyed that other people arent good enough at the things you want them to be better at seems very odd to me. We don't sit around being annoyed at the medical industry because no one has yet figured out how to cure this silly cancer thing. Demanding that doctors get their heads out of their butts and solve this thing or else leads to the question of "or else what?". The reason we arent setting hosptials ablaze is because until it is actually done no one know just how difficult the task of curing cancers for all would really be, so we cannot say for certain that all that can be done isnt already being done.

Dear OP, best to start making your own clothes. You have a vision, one that you assume that others should share and they likely do. But the roadmap to what things could be requires those who previously had no hand in the creative process to take up said hand, and make it happen. I wish you all the best in that, because I just don't think you'll get very far trying to motivate other people to do things they way you envision them.

Phoenix1966

Taken from this public page at Renderosity: "Wishlists: This report will display a list of items and show you how many members have them on their Wishlists."

Male-M3dia

agent unawares said:

Male-M3dia said:

Serene Night said:

I don’t see the equivalency. Clothing props aren’t people. They are items vended for sale.  

That's not the equivelancy I'm talking about. Here's a receipt, can you tell me how this doesn't shame vendors?

That's not shaming vendors, it's a comment on item quality. Just like "you waste vendors' time by wishlisting items" is shaming customers while "the forums are a terrible way to gauge the market" is a comment on data quality.

It is shaming vendors when you phrase things a certain way. Yes a vendor time is wasted when someone doesn't buy a product they've asked a vendor to make.. but I can certainly say that I think the wrinkles on a outfit needs improvement or i think the the fit of clothing needs to be improved instead of saying an outfit looks like tubes or amatuerish. If you don't see the difference, then it probably makes sense why some don't see the items they want made either because they've turned the vendor off with the words they've decided to use. It is what it is.

Male-M3dia

agent unawares said:

Male-M3dia said:

agent unawares said:

Male-M3dia said:

Leana said:

agent unawares said:

Male-M3dia said:

agent unawares said:

Male-M3dia said:

I didn't address single individuals

"when the item is made, the person requesting it posts, "Thanks, I've wishlisted it"

That's a very clear reference to a single peurson.

 

Male-M3dia said:

This isn't stated as a guilt trip

"you've just wasted the vendor's time" is a guilt trip. No one has wasted a vendor's time by not buying something. Ever. Period. If anyone creates a product relying on one person to buy it they should be doing it as commission.

 

Male-M3dia said:

So when you tell a vendor you've put something on a wishlist, knowing that items stay on wish lists for years, it actually means nothing because it has a net value of $0.

Yes, it's completely reasonable to say wishlisting means nothing. It's just a compliment. This is not the sentiment I took issue with.

I'm sure you want to argue the point but when I say something,  I said what I said.

You sure did. You told people that not buying something was wasting a vendor's time. That's incorrect guilt-tripping nonsense. I'm not sure what point you think I'm arguing.

No, he said that when you ask a vendor to create something and then don't buy it when it's done you are wasting a vendor's time, as the vendor did something on your request and got nothing from you in return. Of course the vendor certainly didn't expect to sell it to you only, and hopefully other buyers might make up for the time invested (or not).

That's why a lot of vendors won't create items based on requests.

Thank you, Leana. No vendor just sells to one person. That would be called a **commission** or a **freebie** and done a different way. Not sure why this was even argued like this.

This is my exact point. You weren't talking about commissions or freebies, you were talking about store items pitched to everyone not made for one individual customer, hence no individual customer has "wasted your time" by not buying something.

 

Are  you sure that's what you said originally?

Pretty sure. Let's check out my first post in the thread!

agent unawares said:

Male-M3dia said:

Daywalker Designs said:

retiretomaui said:

Serene Night said:

I agree. The current male releases are amateurish. We have so little male clothing to begin with. When something looks doughy or painted on people don’t buy it and it contributes to the whole men’s stuff doesn’t sell.

Nicely put. I really want more male clothing items. Right now, I'm searching through older M4 items to tru to find what I need, with little luck. What I have found useful is to use the Genesis/M4/V4 clothing items and figures as background fodder.  I render on a nice laptop, but in the end it is a laptop with more limited system resources than a full-on desktop rig. Those older clothing bits are perfect for reducing system resources but I agree that we need far better modern mens' clothing, especially for Genesis 3 males. There are some nice things out there, but not nearly as much given the number of male Gen 3 characters there are. I have a feeling that whomever releases a modern, up to date and accurate set of  sci-fi starship uniforms (and not the battlemech type, a real uniform set) will be earning a whole ton of cash. That's just one idea. I'm sure there are many others.

 

.Accurate and properly fitting = profit.

 

There is a flaw in thinking here. Just because you and others say you will by something isn't enough to encourage PAs to make what you want, because there have been plenty of times where they do it and the ones asking for it the most do not end up buying the product, and they know it.

Yes. I've seen lots of instances where there is a forum request and when the item is made, the person requesting it posts, "Thanks, I've wishlisted it" 

Wishlisting isn't a sale and you've just wasted the vendor's time when they could have spent the time making something that would have generated sales.

Where are you going with this guilt trip? Vendors do not make items hoping to sell to one single person.

EDIT: Your highlighted bit of my post literally backs me up, so I have no idea where you're going with this. You were taking mass-marketed uncommissioned items, and saying individuals who were interested in similar items but didn't buy yours had somehow wasted your time. I pointed out that accusing single individuals of wasting your time makes no sense for mass marketed uncommissioned items.

Sir, so which argument are you going to stick to tonight? You responded to my posts saying **I** was talking about single buyers which I didn't say, then the next page you're now saying I'm talking about multiple buyers. Since you don't know which side you want to take tonight, being inconsistent, I'll just not pay attention to the straw grasping and move on to other things. 

Thanks anyway.

Serene Night

Male-M3dia said:

Serene Night said:

Male-M3dia said:

Serene Night said:

I don’t see the equivalency. Clothing props aren’t people. They are items vended for sale.  

That's not the equivelancy I'm talking about. Here's a receipt, can you tell me how this doesn't shame vendors?

I clearly state in the post you quoted me in that I'm talking about products for sale  not people.

So the products made themselves or the products are made by vendors? Let's be honest, calling products amateurish is an insult not a compliment. It is what is is and you can't debate any different when your post is presented as receipt. I appreciate the effort though. As I said it's interesting that people that are lobbing insults, shaming the work of PAs are concerned about customer shaming. It is what is is. 

Let's move on.

I am allowed to have a different opinion than you, and talking about products and their quality is not a personal attack. I am allowed not to like things, and not liking things that are made by individuals does not equal bashing or shaming that person.

Male-M3dia

Serene Night said:

Male-M3dia said:

Serene Night said:

Male-M3dia said:

Serene Night said:

I don’t see the equivalency. Clothing props aren’t people. They are items vended for sale.  

That's not the equivelancy I'm talking about. Here's a receipt, can you tell me how this doesn't shame vendors?

I clearly state in the post you quoted me in that I'm talking about products for sale  not people.

So the products made themselves or the products are made by vendors? Let's be honest, calling products amateurish is an insult not a compliment. It is what is is and you can't debate any different when your post is presented as receipt. I appreciate the effort though. As I said it's interesting that people that are lobbing insults, shaming the work of PAs are concerned about customer shaming. It is what is is. 

Let's move on.

I am allowed to have a different opinion than you, and talking about products and their quality is not a personal attack. I am allowed not to like things, and not liking things that are made by individuals does not equal bashing or shaming that person.

You certainly are allowed to have an opinion I'm not arguing that. But I will call out insults and hit the ignore button when people can't take responsiblity for them when presented with a screenshot. Please phrase your opinions so they aren't taken as attacks.. because it's an attack.

We'll move on from here. Thanks.

agent unawares

Rashad Carter said:

In theory, you could wishlist your favorite server at your favorite restaurant. Indeed. It's like going to a full service restaurant, having a great meal; and then thanking you waiter with all the flowery words in the dictionary but leaving not a single dollar as a tip.

Eeeeeeexcept the case of someone not buying an item is a case of not going to the restaurant because it didn't appeal to them, not a case of going to the restaurant and not paying.

 

Male-M3dia said:

Yes a vendor time is wasted when someone doesn't buy a product they've asked a vendor to make..

As you and I have both agreed multiple times through this thread, vendors do not create items for single individuals. So this hypothetical someone has not wasted anyone's time, unless they commissioned the vendor and failed to pay.

I make free HDRIs. A lot of people say they love HDRIs and then don't go to my gallery and download them. They're not, somehow, magically, wasting my time.

agent unawares

Male-M3dia said:

agent unawares said:

Male-M3dia said:

agent unawares said:

Male-M3dia said:

Leana said:

agent unawares said:

Male-M3dia said:

agent unawares said:

Male-M3dia said:

I didn't address single individuals

"when the item is made, the person requesting it posts, "Thanks, I've wishlisted it"

That's a very clear reference to a single peurson.

 

Male-M3dia said:

This isn't stated as a guilt trip

"you've just wasted the vendor's time" is a guilt trip. No one has wasted a vendor's time by not buying something. Ever. Period. If anyone creates a product relying on one person to buy it they should be doing it as commission.

 

Male-M3dia said:

So when you tell a vendor you've put something on a wishlist, knowing that items stay on wish lists for years, it actually means nothing because it has a net value of $0.

Yes, it's completely reasonable to say wishlisting means nothing. It's just a compliment. This is not the sentiment I took issue with.

I'm sure you want to argue the point but when I say something,  I said what I said.

You sure did. You told people that not buying something was wasting a vendor's time. That's incorrect guilt-tripping nonsense. I'm not sure what point you think I'm arguing.

No, he said that when you ask a vendor to create something and then don't buy it when it's done you are wasting a vendor's time, as the vendor did something on your request and got nothing from you in return. Of course the vendor certainly didn't expect to sell it to you only, and hopefully other buyers might make up for the time invested (or not).

That's why a lot of vendors won't create items based on requests.

Thank you, Leana. No vendor just sells to one person. That would be called a **commission** or a **freebie** and done a different way. Not sure why this was even argued like this.

This is my exact point. You weren't talking about commissions or freebies, you were talking about store items pitched to everyone not made for one individual customer, hence no individual customer has "wasted your time" by not buying something.

 

Are  you sure that's what you said originally?

Pretty sure. Let's check out my first post in the thread!

agent unawares said:

Male-M3dia said:

Daywalker Designs said:

retiretomaui said:

Serene Night said:

I agree. The current male releases are amateurish. We have so little male clothing to begin with. When something looks doughy or painted on people don’t buy it and it contributes to the whole men’s stuff doesn’t sell.

Nicely put. I really want more male clothing items. Right now, I'm searching through older M4 items to tru to find what I need, with little luck. What I have found useful is to use the Genesis/M4/V4 clothing items and figures as background fodder.  I render on a nice laptop, but in the end it is a laptop with more limited system resources than a full-on desktop rig. Those older clothing bits are perfect for reducing system resources but I agree that we need far better modern mens' clothing, especially for Genesis 3 males. There are some nice things out there, but not nearly as much given the number of male Gen 3 characters there are. I have a feeling that whomever releases a modern, up to date and accurate set of  sci-fi starship uniforms (and not the battlemech type, a real uniform set) will be earning a whole ton of cash. That's just one idea. I'm sure there are many others.

 

.Accurate and properly fitting = profit.

 

There is a flaw in thinking here. Just because you and others say you will by something isn't enough to encourage PAs to make what you want, because there have been plenty of times where they do it and the ones asking for it the most do not end up buying the product, and they know it.

Yes. I've seen lots of instances where there is a forum request and when the item is made, the person requesting it posts, "Thanks, I've wishlisted it" 

Wishlisting isn't a sale and you've just wasted the vendor's time when they could have spent the time making something that would have generated sales.

Where are you going with this guilt trip? Vendors do not make items hoping to sell to one single person.

EDIT: Your highlighted bit of my post literally backs me up, so I have no idea where you're going with this. You were taking mass-marketed uncommissioned items, and saying individuals who were interested in similar items but didn't buy yours had somehow wasted your time. I pointed out that accusing single individuals of wasting your time makes no sense for mass marketed uncommissioned items.

Sir, so which argument are you going to stick to tonight? You responded to my posts saying **I** was talking about single buyers which I didn't say, then the next page you're now saying I'm talking about multiple buyers. Since you don't know which side you want to take tonight, being inconsistent, I'll just not pay attention to the straw grasping and move on to other things. 

Thanks anyway.

-sigh-

You did talk about single customers wasting vendor time. The entire time I have been pointing out that guilt-tripping single customers makes no sense because items aren't actually made for single customers. Go back and read.

Serene Night

Actually it doesn’t appear that you think I’m entitled to an opinion that differs from yours as your continue to try to censor and scold me and others. If you think what I’ve said is an attack that is your perception but it’s not reality. I’m entitled to not like stuff and I’m entitled to say why. If you take it personally that is your issue.

DreamingGirl

I think some vendors need to step back and realize that they are, in fact, Merchants. Your existence (as a Merchant) is relying on customers. Your customers do not owe you anything. Your customers have every right to criticize you if they are unhappy with your services. If you run a traditional clothesshop, and the clothes you sell tear at the seams after one day, your customers will complain. If the overall quality of your items are poor, people will complain. If your producs are not what people actually want, people will not buy them. And if your customers don't buy your products, you don't shame them, you smile, thank them for their visit, and try harder. I don't understand why some vendors feel like just because their clothes are digital, things should be different for them and they should never be criticized. If you take offense at criticizm, you are in the wrong business. Some vendors really need to take a class in customer relations, it applies to the digital world as well. I have spent most of my working days in retail, and if I had behaved like I see some vendors do, I would have been fired immediately. DISCLAIMER: MOST vendors do not behave like this, most of them provide excellent service, but there are some who seem to think they are above the rest. I do not shop from them, just like in the real world.

 

And I do pretty much ALL my purchases from my wishlist

Male-M3dia

DreamingGirl said:

I think some vendors need to step back and realize that they are, in fact, Merchants. Your existence (as a Merchant) is relying on customers. Your customers do not owe you anything. Your customers have every right to criticize you if they are unhappy with your services. If you run a traditional clothesshop, and the clothes you sell tear at the seams after one day, your customers will complain. If the overall quality of your items are poor, people will complain. If your producs are not what people actually want, people will not buy them. And if your customers don't buy your products, you don't shame them, you smile, thank them for their visit, and try harder. I don't understand why some vendors feel like just because their clothes are digital, things should be different for them and they should never be criticized. If you take offense at criticizm, you are in the wrong business. Some vendors really need to take a class in customer relations, it applies to the digital world as well. I have spent most of my working days in retail, and if I had behaved like I see some vendors do, I would have been fired immediately. DISCLAIMER: MOST vendors do not behave like this, most of them provide excellent service, but there are some who seem to think they are above the rest. I do not shop from them, just like in the real world.

 

And I do pretty much ALL my purchases from my wishlist

The market is supply and demand, and neither is one sided. And just as a customer can choose not to buy something, a vendor can choose not to make an item as well. I think the existence of these threads is evidence of that.

It is what it is.

frank0314

Since this thread has degraded to personal attacks it is being locked