Realistic Renders...NOT!! 11 "Hello Rogerbee!"

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  • Herald of FireHerald of Fire Posts: 3,504
    edited December 1969

    Rogerbee said:
    Already scoured the internet, tried dozens of drivers (none of which specific for Windows 8, but I digress). I went to discussion boards and similar to find a solution, none were presented that worked. In short, there are still too many issues with Windows 8 at the moment. It's not that it's new that bothers me, it's that I can't perform the same tasks I usually do with the same ease. Having to use a dozen workarounds to achieve the same goals you would on a Windows 7 system isn't conducive to a healthy workflow.

    Just out of interest, which computer do you have? I have an HP and was able to find all the drivers I required on one site.

    CHEERS!I'm primarily a desktop user. My laptop isn't a very powerful one (a simple dual-core) and is mostly used for work. My PC is custom build and the onboard sound is a SoundMax brand. Windows 8 picked it up as just "Digital audio" and generally tried to make things as difficult as possible to update the driver. The only fix I could find from searching the internet was to install the Windows 7 drivers, which I finally succeeded in doing after much fussing around with the thing. Unsurprisingly, it failed. One thing that was abundantly clear though was that I was not alone in having this issue. I found dozens of people in a similar situation and followed their posts to try and find a solution, but none were presented.

    Still, that was only one of the issues I had with the OS. All Windows 8 dedicated apps like to run in permanent full-screen, which somewhat detracts from the whole point of calling it "Windows". As a heavy desktop user, the lack of windowed multi-tasking when using Win8 apps was a disappointment, as was the missing classic start menu. The only way you can now obtain the original start menu is by buying additional bolt-on software, and the desktop is a far uglier and cut-down affair than its predecessor.

    There's no real support for multiple monitors either. One of these is ALWAYS a desktop, and the Win8 interface won't allow you to scroll your mouse to it without backing into the desktop (you can try, but you just bring up that silly menu with the settings). There are also compatibility issues with some of my older applications.

    All summed up, I just didn't think it was worth the upgrade from Windows 7. If I'm buying it just to use the desktop, then I'm buying into a shadow of its former glory. It's like ditching a supermodel for her chubby younger sister, just because she's fresh out of the box. If I'm buying it for the Metro interface, then I'm buying a convoluted touchscreen designed system for a desktop PC with a total disrespect for anyone who relies on multi-tasking. It has a marginally faster boot time, but in other performances seems identical to my Windows 7 build.

    If I wanted a simplistic UI with an app store, I've got a tablet and an android phone for that.

  • ps1borgps1borg Posts: 12,776
    edited December 1969

    Rogerbee said:
    ps1borg said:
    Um no, i heard about the Flash issue, but thanks. My Library uses Air, is External http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/10302/

    You're still not supposed to have it checked whatever, uncheck it and see if your issue persists, if it doesn't then that was the problem.

    CHEERS!

    Yes I'll keep it in mind thanks, very grateful for the tip. I'm going to reinstall everything Genesis and give it all another go again when this attack of the lazies I'm having today passes :)

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Kyoto Kid said:
    MotoTsume said:
    i am on a laptop - a HP pavillion dv6 notebook PC with AMD Phenom II N930 Quad-Core Processor 2.00 Ghz
    touch screen - 16 gig of ram
    1 gig ATI video card
    64-Bit windows 7

    it renders very nicely and fast and never seems to get to hot


    ...from what I can find must have cost a bit considering the 4G model (rated only to 8G which makes me wonder how it can handle 16) is going for around 800,00€ (≈1,055USD)

    Mine is a dv6 too,

    It has a quad core Intel Core i5 2ghz, 6gb RAM, an integrated Intel card and a dedicated ATI card. Mine was a store demo and I picked it up for £579. It was a year old when I got it as the warranty ran out a month afterwards. Mine does run hot when doing renders and when it's been on a long time like when running scans.

    I'm now running Windows 8 Pro 64 bit. I also have the latest version of Classic Shell installed which means you boot to the desktop instead of Metro and you get the Start menu and button back. I also found a utility which makes the desktop scheme more readable and one where you can show shortcut icons without arrows. I've wanted that since TweakUI as I think it makes the desktop look neater.

    I'm still finding my feet with it, but, so far I'm really happy with it

    CHEERS!

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    ps1borg said:
    Rogerbee said:
    ps1borg said:
    Um no, i heard about the Flash issue, but thanks. My Library uses Air, is External http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/10302/

    You're still not supposed to have it checked whatever, uncheck it and see if your issue persists, if it doesn't then that was the problem.

    CHEERS!

    Yes I'll keep it in mind thanks, very grateful for the tip. I'm going to reinstall everything Genesis and give it all another go again when this attack of the lazies I'm having today passes :)

    I haven't been lazy, there's just a lot in Windows 8 that I've been getting my head around, I'm pretty much there now though. I have even managed to get a test render of Stratton (I like him more than Jeremy) out. I had a hairy moment when Poser locked, but, it was fine when I loaded it again. I think I might delete the XML's again so I can have a totally fresh batch.

    I think, yet again, that I bought myself the best Christmas present, it's not every day you get an entire new OS for £24.99

    CHEERS!

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,036
    edited December 2012

    ...well another evening of frustration and futility trying to post a simple pic while dealing with slow site response compounded by crappy connectivity. Been sitting here for over a half hour watching FF in "loading" mode and dealing with countless Network Resets, only to have everything crash & burn with an "Expired Document" error.

    I don't do anywhere as much as I used to because of hardware issues, and when I do finally get something to work, I really would like to post the results. Heck, wrestling with these network issues has taken more than ten times as long as it took to render the pic.


    ...kind of puts a damper on the ol' enthusiasm.


    ...will try again tomorrow when hopefully the network and my ire settle down.

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Ouch,

    Sounds like you've been having a time of it. Apart from a wireless connection to the web my machine is a stand alone. Sounds like building your own system is best left to pros and isn't something I fancy attempting. I seem to have done fine(ish) with off the shelf stuff. I said 'ish' as I have made some bad choices in the past.

    Like buying a Dell and watching their pre-installed software wreak havoc with Windows XP. Then, I got a Compaq because it was a cheap deal, only later did I discover why it was so cheap, it had a single core processor and I ran it into the ground in the space of a year! This one, touch wood, looks like it'll last the course.....

    Famous last words!?

    CHEERS!

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,036
    edited December 1969

    ...actually the workstation is a total standalone save for when I need to register software updates. All new content and finished pics will be transferred between it ans the notebook via flash drive. When I can get some more expert help I'll actually look into setting up a hardwired network between the two as flash drives eventually degrade when frequently copied to/from.

    The issues I was having last night were with my notebook and wireless. Seems every night at about the same time, connectivity goes down the commode for some reason, corresponding with the Daz site slowing down as well (for some reason). Never seen it quite as bad as last night. In total, I spent about forty minutes spinning "loading indicators" in FF & going nowhere. Seeing that it was approaching 01:00 local time, gave up & went to bed.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,036
    edited December 1969

    ...OK here's the pic I tried to upload last night.

    ...keeping with the "Realistic...Not" theme.

    Been having a lot of fun with my Genesis SadieTeen .

    Here she is as my little Leela the Flutterby Queen.

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  • MotoTsumeMotoTsume Posts: 520
    edited December 1969

    Do you have any other wireless signals in your area (IE: do others nearby use wireless) if so maybe one of them does maintenance at that time, and their frequency might have changed to be the same as yours, and if their signal is more powerful than yours then it will interfere with your wireless operations, I had this happen once a week where i am, due to a more powerful signal in the area and at the time I have issues they are doing maintenance and their frequence chances and seems to interfere with mine, so now i have made sure that my frequence is one they never seem to change to, this would be done in your router's wireless settings. Took me a few weeks to figure out the best frequence to use that seems to prevent them interfering with my wireless.

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Yeah,

    Moto might be onto something there. I always know what's happened when my wireless signal changes, somebody has moved the bloody hub again! Usually Mother when she's cleaning. It takes me AGES to get it back to the exact sweet spot where the reception is best. I'm surprised I get what I do considering we're still using the old G system and not the N which is supposed to be even better. The problem is that my Dad's service provider can never seem to offer a better package than the one he started with, thus the hardware never gets upgraded. Still, it is really reliable and only went down once when some berk at the exchange 'accidentally' unplugged our line!

    I'd check your provider and router and see if anyone in your area offers a better service.

    CHEERS!

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,036
    edited December 1969

    Rogerbee said:

    Yeah,

    Moto might be onto something there. I always know what's happened when my wireless signal changes, somebody has moved the bloody hub again! Usually Mother when she's cleaning. It takes me AGES to get it back to the exact sweet spot where the reception is best. I'm surprised I get what I do considering we're still using the old G system and not the N which is supposed to be even better. The problem is that my Dad's service provider can never seem to offer a better package than the one he started with, thus the hardware never gets upgraded. Still, it is really reliable and only went down once when some berk at the exchange 'accidentally' unplugged our line!

    I'd check your provider and router and see if anyone in your area offers a better service.

    CHEERS!


    ...part of the issue is that I live in a half cellar flat (thus have a partial shadow to deal with) which is compounded by the next door neighbour who has a couple sat dishes right in line of sight of the node. The only thing that would improve the signal would be to go to a hardwired connection. Unfortunately this would mean having to set up a subscription with the local cable provider and actually paying more per month just for the internet service alone compared to what it would cost as a component of the full telly, phone and internet package. I don't have a phone or a telly. The other issue with this is, I would have to sign a contract which means I'm stuck with them for the duration unless I want to pay a high cancellation fee to terminate the plan.

    I used to do the neighbourhood thing, but because of security and ID theft issues (and the "yuppification" of the local area), most private nodes are secure WIP setups. The closest "free" nodes I have (Starbucks and a local brewpub) are about four to five blocks away so signal strength is a major issue.

  • MotoTsumeMotoTsume Posts: 520
    edited December 2012

    i have used this trick to drastically improve signal strenght

    done right for example attaching the usb wi-fi stick to a old satellite disk I have seen signals as far as 100 km away being used
    but doubt you would need to get that extreme


    http://www.ehow.co.uk/how_8369250_boost-strength-wifi-usb-stick.html

    http://urbanwireless.info/antennas/dish-with-usb-feed

    these tricks enable one to use any decent wifi signal that can be received and some people use these to grab free internet from neighbours, stores that dont place security on their wifi

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,036
    edited December 1969

    ...not sure I want to leave my USB modem out in the elements especially considering the foul weather we experience here. When I'm in other places (above ground) I get great connectivity and fast throughput so it is definitely my location which is the issue. Already surveyed the entire flat and there really is no improvement in signal no matter where I am inside. The dish still sounds like a good idea as it concentrates the signal so I will still give that a try.

  • MotoTsumeMotoTsume Posts: 520
    edited December 1969

    you dont leave it out in the elements, you leave it in a window pointing toward the wifi source

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Interesting idea, I already have mine on a cable and it is lined up with the hub, so, unless, as I said, someone moves the hub, I can still get an excellent signal.

    CHEERS!

  • ps1borgps1borg Posts: 12,776
    edited December 1969

    Rogerbee said:
    ps1borg said:
    Rogerbee said:
    ps1borg said:
    Um no, i heard about the Flash issue, but thanks. My Library uses Air, is External http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/10302/

    You're still not supposed to have it checked whatever, uncheck it and see if your issue persists, if it doesn't then that was the problem.

    CHEERS!

    Yes I'll keep it in mind thanks, very grateful for the tip. I'm going to reinstall everything Genesis and give it all another go again when this attack of the lazies I'm having today passes :)

    I haven't been lazy, there's just a lot in Windows 8 that I've been getting my head around, I'm pretty much there now though. I have even managed to get a test render of Stratton (I like him more than Jeremy) out. I had a hairy moment when Poser locked, but, it was fine when I loaded it again. I think I might delete the XML's again so I can have a totally fresh batch.

    I think, yet again, that I bought myself the best Christmas present, it's not every day you get an entire new OS for £24.99

    CHEERS!

    Hey gratz on the new OS :)

    Reinstalled everything Genesis and Studio and now I'm back to unsupported file format message when I use the Poser Companion maker actions so *sigh* don't think this is for me, I actually want to be a hobbyist and just make stuff. Come to think of it I worked real hard so I didn't have to do TD type things :lol: Oh dear gots ta laugh :lol:

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 2012

    What!?

    I thought they created DS4.5 so DUF's were supported!? The original files for this suit were DSF's, do you have to leave them as DSF and then convert them to DUF with the app you're trying to use!? Perhaps you should PM Sickleyield and get him to DSON it.

    Did unchecking that box I referred to make any difference with your Poser issue?

    Regarding the OS, I had to reinstall the old Windows 7 drivers for my sound set up as the Windows 8 ones didn't have the correct Beats Audio or sound enhancements. It all works now though. I just need to get Power DVD and I'm set. The laptop previous to this had it preinstalled, but, I didn't get an installation disc with it, so, I'm going to have to buy the newest version. Luckily I just want the basic version, so that's not too expensive.

    Somewhere in the midst of this I might just get another render out!

    CHEERS!

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  • ps1borgps1borg Posts: 12,776
    edited December 1969

    Don't know, uninstalled and reinstalled everything Studio and Genesis and have time travelled back a couple of months to when Poser was/is mangling some of the geometry on import using D3d's script. So haven't got to the save/load again scenario. I saw the unsupported content last time around, a metadata issue AFAIR. Pwnd polygons were a settings tweak I think, have to look harder some other time hey, is nearly Christmas and I'm supposed to be having a break :)

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    From what I could tell, there was no re-installation of either Genesis or Studio needed. To me the DSON issue centered around that checked box in the DSON Support dialog in PP2012.

    You could maybe try downloading and installing the DS Pro Beta, that says it has all the DSON tools that it sounds like you require. The geometry mangling you refer to with D3D's script could be what I'm experiencing with Phil W's Elite Eyes. He hasn't yet done a Poser Companion file for them and I'll have to wait till he has before I can properly test them. He's busy on another project right now so I won't bug him.

    CHEERS!

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,036
    edited December 1969

    ...hmm, seems my little pic has become lost in all the technical stuff that surrounded the troubles I had uploading it.

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    LOL!

    Sorry, it was a nice render though.

    The last PC I had that was built from parts was a nightmare, my brother built it with parts that looked to have come from the lowest bidders!. I've bought off the shelf ever since, you can get what you want and you know that at least someone will have tested the components. Finding one with pre-installed software that's easy to get rid of is a must. My first Dell came with a multimedia suite by Roxio which caused no end of crashes. It was hell to uninstall and probably led to the machine becoming completely unusable. The one I got back from them was better, but even that wasn't trouble free. Touch wood, this current system stands a chance of lasting the course, all it did for the first year of it's life was sit there and look pretty!

    CHEERS!

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,036
    edited December 1969

    ...I spent about eighteen months researching components and system design before putting any money down.

    Every component I have is fully compatible with one other. Before installing the drives booted it up to make sure the CPU, RAM, and GPU were being "seen". All checked out fine.

    Doing a full clean install from the start is so much more elegant than trying to delete factory installed "rubbish-ware" you don't need. As we have seen with Daz Studio 4, simply deleting or uninstalling it doesn't always clear every trace of a programme from the system. This system does not even have any Office type applications on it or anything else that might take up processor and memory resources away from it's primary functions. Again, the only net access it has will be temporary (via my wireless) for registering the OS and software installs. Once that is done it goes totally "standalone" until I need to register a new plugin or application update.

  • ps1borgps1borg Posts: 12,776
    edited December 1969

    Rogerbee said:

    From what I could tell, there was no re-installation of either Genesis or Studio needed. To me the DSON issue centered around that checked box in the DSON Support dialog in PP2012.

    You could maybe try downloading and installing the DS Pro Beta, that says it has all the DSON tools that it sounds like you require. The geometry mangling you refer to with D3D's script could be what I'm experiencing with Phil W's Elite Eyes. He hasn't yet done a Poser Companion file for them and I'll have to wait till he has before I can properly test them. He's busy on another project right now so I won't bug him.

    CHEERS!

    Was having difficulties with my Studio install because the content had duplicate ID's so the content reinstall was to fix those \o/ :lol: But not at the stage yet, it seems, that I can import the content to Poser without problems. I'll have another go after Christmas :)

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Kyoto Kid said:
    ...I spent about eighteen months researching components and system design before putting any money down.

    Every component I have is fully compatible with one other. Before installing the drives booted it up to make sure the CPU, RAM, and GPU were being "seen". All checked out fine.

    Doing a full clean install from the start is so much more elegant than trying to delete factory installed "rubbish-ware" you don't need. As we have seen with Daz Studio 4, simply deleting or uninstalling it doesn't always clear every trace of a programme from the system. This system does not even have any Office type applications on it or anything else that might take up processor and memory resources away from it's primary functions. Again, the only net access it has will be temporary (via my wireless) for registering the OS and software installs. Once that is done it goes totally "standalone" until I need to register a new plugin or application update.

    Fair enough, you sound like you know what you're doing. My brother gleaned the majority of his computer knowledge from his mates at work, yeah, like they were qualified. Even now he leaps at what seem like dream offers without doing any research, and then he wonders why it all goes wrong! I talked to people that actually knew about computers, and I research things. That's how come I was able to switch my system from Win 7 to 8 inside a week. It still isn't quite perfect, but that's not down to me, more down to companies being slow on the uptake when it comes to drivers. Win 8 has been out since October, how hard can it be!?

    Best of luck with your system

    CHEERS!

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    ps1borg said:

    Was having difficulties with my Studio install because the content had duplicate ID's so the content reinstall was to fix those \o/ :lol: But not at the stage yet, it seems, that I can import the content to Poser without problems. I'll have another go after Christmas :)

    When the latest DS progresses beyond beta I'd give that a go, they might have sorted out the teething troubles by then.

    CHEERS!

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    After seeing Garibaldi I'm giving this some more than serious thought!

    CHEERS!

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Ok, back to actual renders, and here's Lee, probably to remain hairless till I can work out just what I want to do with 3D art.

    Have yourselves a merry little Christmas

    CHEERS!

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  • ps1borgps1borg Posts: 12,776
    edited December 1969

    Oh great he looks awesome :) Yes back to renders, although this is more of a realistic-not doodle :lol: Merry Christmas yes :)

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    That's pretty cool!

    Does this mean that you've sorted all your issues out? Hmm, one thing that is good about issues with DS is that you've got this community to help you put if you come unstuck. Also, you don't have to listen to anti Daz bores like you do on Poser forums.

    Yeah, if DS Pro makes it out of Beta I'll give the thing a whirl, after all, it is actually where I started out. Pre DS3, I had just about every version of Studio going and even created all my freebie content in it. Bet you wouldn't have thought that!

    CHEERS!

  • ps1borgps1borg Posts: 12,776
    edited December 1969

    Rogerbee said:

    That's pretty cool!

    Does this mean that you've sorted all your issues out? Hmm, one thing that is good about issues with DS is that you've got this community to help you put if you come unstuck. Also, you don't have to listen to anti Daz bores like you do on Poser forums.

    Yeah, if DS Pro makes it out of Beta I'll give the thing a whirl, after all, it is actually where I started out. Pre DS3, I had just about every version of Studio going and even created all my freebie content in it. Bet you wouldn't have thought that!

    CHEERS!

    I wish :lol: Got no beef at all with Studio, been using it since Version 2 and yes had plenty of help which is why I knew I had to sort the duplicated ID stuff out. Poser DSON imports are a different story, still haven't wrapped my head around it at all. But at least everything works as advertised in Studio (except I can't work the DSON exporter) I'm running 4.5.1.6 :)

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