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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited January 2013

    Spyro said:

    Thanks :) - Well the eyes do use custom textures, but the surface settings were based on M5 Philip and refined. The eye lights on Spyro's portrait how ever are post work, due to the issue where Genesis doesnt have the full eye surface (Is there any news on the "Elite Eyes project? Rogerbee.) Kyra has eye lights from Interjection on her cornea. (Interjection however alters the eye settings, so now I only use it's textures (Spyro is newer than Kyra))

    My settings are (Sclera) Human Surface Shader is applied. I loaded Philips eye settings to start with.

    -First off, the biggest problem with Philips eyes is that the sclera uses Velvet... That's a no no for eyes, largely because velvet ignores shadows, and will light up the outer edges of the eye unrealistically, so deactivate it. Velvet is more for skin, and it's designed to give the illusion that the skin has fine hairs all over it. Like we do.
    -Activate reflections, set it to environment map, no need for texture. Ensure it's set to pure white. Strength 3%, Reflection blur 2%, Blur samples 2. This will help lighten up the Sclera, but subtly.
    -Deactivate Fresnel. It's unnecessary.
    -I dont use SubSurface on the eyes, but you can if you want to.
    -Deactivate Specular 2, I see no reason to have it active
    -Reduce Specular strength from 100% to 50%. It's more a preference of mine, makes the glossiness of the eye less distracting in close up renders. Specular colour should be 199 234 255, Gloss 25%, Spec Sharpness 35%.

    Tip - Philip comes with a transparent PNG in the runtime, that adds shadow to the eye, I use it on my custom dif eye textures, it's very useful.

    Pupil and Iris keep all settings from Philip. As I said, the textures are custom. The Iris colour remains white, All colour is added in the dif texture in PS.

    Most problems with Eye realism in DAZ tends to be the Sclera, either Velvet is on, Specular is too high or to sharp, bump is too high OR scene lights have not all been set to use shadows. IF shadows are not on, the edges of the eye balls will illuminate and make it unrealistic.

    Hope that helps :)
    I need to go through my eyeshine tutorial and revise the settings. I've leaned alot since then :-P (I'll also need to add the Sclera Info, I've been asked this question a few times lol)

    This was just what I was looking for! Thank you so much!

    Elite Eyes are back with Phil W, I beta tested them as far as I could in Poser. The problem was that the D3D script I was using to import the DUF was mangling the geometry. It needs a Poser companion file before it'll work as intended in Poser. Last I heard from Phil he was involved with another project.

    When I get some lights sorted I'll load up his original DUF into DS4.5 and see what's what. From the pics he sent me it looks like it works perfectly in DS. It's up to Phil what happens with them.

    CHEERS!

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  • SpyroRueSpyroRue Posts: 5,020
    edited January 2013

    Your welcome :) Hope it helps. It took we a while to write it up as I discovered an issue with a morph set that was impacting the irises depth for some unknown reason... Then I discovered my eye surface settings were altered by Interjection, which I didnt know it changed things on me lol annoying.

    EDIT: Oh that's good. Since I've been working on close ups it's been bugging me about the no eye surface lol

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Anyhow, back to some renders,

    This time it's V4 Future Cop, but fitted to V5.

    This brings me to my major bugbear with DS in that it ignores what the artist intended and loads its own defaults. The visor on the helmet is pure guesswork! I've no idea what 3D Universe intended the settings for it to be! Also, you will note that I tried some lights. They are the basic set that came with DM's Instances. Yet AGAIN defaults were loaded, so I don't know which lights had shadows, what type of light they were or what the intensity was. WHY DOES DS DO THIS!?! I suppose, in this case, I could go into Poser, load the lights and make a note of what they were and interpret them back in DS, but, why should I have to!? You would think that by now they would have given DS at least some AI.

    Please, please tell me that with things like Lantios Lights they load and that's it, I 'll be massively annoyed if I have to set everything myself.

    Enjoy the renders

    CHEERS! (The one success I did have was the chrome shader on the helmet mic, now that was just what I wanted.)

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Spyro said:
    Your welcome :) Hope it helps. It took we a while to write it up as I discovered an issue with a morph set that was impacting the irises depth for some unknown reason... Then I discovered my eye surface settings were altered by Interjection, which I didnt know it changed things on me lol annoying.

    EDIT: Oh that's good. Since I've been working on close ups it's been bugging me about the no eye surface lol

    I'm not totally familiar with Interjection, I haven't been keeping up with DS developments at all.

    It's anyone's guess when Elite Eyes will get released, I just hope they do, I'd hate to have the only copy!

    CHEERS!

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    I put the glass shader from Shader Mixer onto the visor, now that's more like it. More presets please Daz!

    CHEERS!

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  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,455
    edited January 2013

    Great, Rogerbee. I am busy with downloading the free Adobe CS2 programs.
    One never know, how long they will remain for free.
    http://www.adobe.com/downloads/cs2_downloads/index.html
    Daz forum discussion: OT - Adobe CS2 now free, perhaps
    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/14975/

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  • SpyroRueSpyroRue Posts: 5,020
    edited December 1969

    Artini said:
    Great, Rogerbee. I am busy with downloading the free Adobe CS2 programs.
    One never know, how long they will remain for free.
    http://www.adobe.com/downloads/cs2_downloads/index.html
    Daz forum discussion: OT - Adobe CS2 now free, perhaps
    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/14975/

    Just got Indesign. Very useful for graphic novels, comics, cards, brochures etc. Very good for creating speech bubbles for those that are into those talkative renders :)

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Hmm,

    I'm waiting for a catch. I'll download it, but, I won't install it till I know there isn't one.

    On Tuesday I'll finally get some more ink for my printer, then I can print all your tips then I don't have to have Word open alongside DS all the time.

    CHEERS!

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited January 2013

    Well, curiosity and boredom got the better of me, and, I downloaded and installed it. It's there, it's in and it works. It even accepted my custom actions that I've had set up in every version of PhotoShop I've ever had.

    Happy days!

    Now, will the current 3D bridge to PhotoShop for DS 4.5 work with it!?

    CHEERS!

    EDIT:

    No, it won't!

    Ah well..... maybe that was the catch!

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,036
    edited January 2013

    Rogerbee said:
    Anyhow, back to some renders,

    This time it's V4 Future Cop, but fitted to V5.

    This brings me to my major bugbear with DS in that it ignores what the artist intended and loads its own defaults. The visor on the helmet is pure guesswork! I've no idea what 3D Universe intended the settings for it to be! Also, you will note that I tried some lights. They are the basic set that came with DM's Instances. Yet AGAIN defaults were loaded, so I don't know which lights had shadows, what type of light they were or what the intensity was. WHY DOES DS DO THIS!?! I suppose, in this case, I could go into Poser, load the lights and make a note of what they were and interpret them back in DS, but, why should I have to!? You would think that by now they would have given DS at least some AI.

    Please, please tell me that with things like Lantios Lights they load and that's it, I 'll be massively annoyed if I have to set everything myself.

    Enjoy the renders

    CHEERS! (The one success I did have was the chrome shader on the helmet mic, now that was just what I wanted.)


    ...a lot of the light presets that are included with content are meant for Poser not Daz Studio. Some sets (like a few by Stonemason) also include light sets for Daz Studio but you have to go into the Daz/Studio/Content/Studio folder to find them.

    Light sets like Lantios and Cloud Nine load complete and you can rotate the entire light set with one control. Be advised though they use the UE lights so they will be slow in rendering, particularly if you have heavy transmaps.

    I really wish that DreamLight would find the time to update LDP2 to 4.5 as it not only uses the standard Daz lights (with optional UE), but is also a very simple to use light system compared to the original version.

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited January 2013

    Thanks,

    Pity it's another week before I can find that out for myself. I'm sure Val/Waldemar will get round to an LDP3 at some point. Long render times are something I'm used to, just have to find something to do while they complete. I think that's why some people get impatient, they sit in front of it expecting instant results.

    CHEERS!

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,036
    edited December 1969

    ..this will be the nice thing about the workstation, I can let it render away and still use the notebook to bloggity blog in the meantime.

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    I just watch TV, if I'm in front of the computer at all then I'll want to keep checking how it's doing.

    CHEERS!

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,036
    edited December 1969

    ...don't have a telly so the net is my main source of entertainment.

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited January 2013

    LOL, forgot about that, I couldn't live without mine!

    I tell you what I keep remembering is all the content that came bundled with DS2 that you can still use. I got the Cyclorama and a cool pair of trainers from it. I do sometimes have to try and find the content though as I didn't copy all of it across to Poser. I seem to remember installing DS2 once just to get the content.

    CHEERS!

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  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,455
    edited December 1969

    I will try to explore Lantios lights. So here come the first render of Victoria 5 with materials from
    V5 Bree All and applying V5 Bree Bump Close-Up.
    Lights used: Lantios Core Lighting 1 preset 09
    http://www.daz3d.com/core-lighting-1
    Rendering Time: 28 minutes 22.14 seconds

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  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,455
    edited December 1969

    For comparison, another render of Victoria 5 with materials from
    V5 Bree All and applied V5 Bree Bump Close-Up.
    Lights used: Photo Studio Lights 3 preset Photo Studio Lights X1 (DS4)
    http://www.daz3d.com/inaneglorys-photo-studio-3
    Rendering Time: 45 minutes 35.85 seconds

    V5Nichole26pic01.jpg
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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited January 2013

    The skin looks really good, however, considering there's lights in the scene the eyes look a little dead.

    If you go to page 42, Spyro lists some settings for the eyes in the second of his last renders. I have yet to try these out for myself, but, his renders speak for themselves.

    If anyone wonders why there is as much talking as there are renders, it is because I think this thread should be as much about what goes into creating them as the renders themselves. A sort of one stop shop for people that can't search if you like.

    As soon as time and money catch up with each other I will be contributing more renders, that won't be this week though

    CHEERS!

    EDIT:

    Ah, that last one is more like it, LOL!

    You were rendering as I was typing!

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Hmm, I think the Lantios lights give better results with less render time. Definitely worth investing in them then.

    CHEERS!

  • RarethRareth Posts: 1,462
    edited December 1969

    oof.. nothing like throwing a complicated background texture on top of an IDL Camera shader to bring render times to a crawl...
    the current render is going to take a bit..

    here are some samples I did yesterday between regular camera, and an IDL Shader camera. with an area light place for fill light, and spot lights for main and key.

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  • BobvanBobvan Posts: 2,652
    edited January 2013

    Its been a while some new ones Floor pov

    Nice one for a commission using the Reality water prop (warning nudity ) http://fav.me/d5re278

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  • BobvanBobvan Posts: 2,652
    edited January 2013

    Model

    Warning nudity bondage http://fav.me/d5q66x0 http://fav.me/d5q66vu

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Rareth said:
    oof.. nothing like throwing a complicated background texture on top of an IDL Camera shader to bring render times to a crawl...
    the current render is going to take a bit..

    here are some samples I did yesterday between regular camera, and an IDL Shader camera. with an area light place for fill light, and spot lights for main and key.

    An IDL Shader camera, that's a new one, tell me more....

    CHEERS!

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Nice work Bob,

    The water effects on that commissioned render are really nice.

    CHEERS!

  • RarethRareth Posts: 1,462
    edited December 1969

    Rogerbee said:
    Rareth said:
    oof.. nothing like throwing a complicated background texture on top of an IDL Camera shader to bring render times to a crawl...
    the current render is going to take a bit..

    here are some samples I did yesterday between regular camera, and an IDL Shader camera. with an area light place for fill light, and spot lights for main and key.

    An IDL Shader camera, that's a new one, tell me more....

    CHEERS!

    Went into the shader mixers and told it to make a new shader, in the window that pops up I selected camera from the dropdown menu, and gave it a name, then right click to add bricks, root, lighting indirect lighting (camera) and then clicked create.

    it it then asks for a name for the new camera, you do that and click OK it adds a new camera to your scene,
    you render through that camera..

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Interesting, have to make a note of that one.

    CHEERS!

  • BobvanBobvan Posts: 2,652
    edited December 1969

    Rogerbee said:

    Nice work Bob,

    The water effects on that commissioned render are really nice.

    CHEERS!

    Thanks after almost a year using Reality adjustments and the luxrender is like second nature. I like the fact I can produce quality renders without too much fussing

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    I'll get to Reality in March when 3 comes out, I get the feeling that there will be a DS version at some point. If not, there's always 2. With any luck I'll have DS sussed by March!

    CHEERS!

  • BobvanBobvan Posts: 2,652
    edited December 1969

    There will be R3 for DS according to Paolo

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Yay!

    Listen to me, a DS convert, LOL!

    CHEERS!

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