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I don't feel that I have lost anything with the introduction of Genesis2. I still have a lot of Genesis add-ons that I haven't even had the time to do anything with, and I look forward to many months of entertainment using Genesis. If Genesis2 were such an improvement that it made Genesis look inadequate, then I would probably feel differently, but what I've seen in a few minutes of playing with 2, I don't think that's the case.
What I don't understand is the emphasis on Victoria 6 rather than the new base figure Genesis 2 Female. Isn't V6 just a variation of the base figure? When new characters come out, won't they be based on Genesis2 rather than V6? I would think that bundles should be based on Genesis2, especially when they include characters that are quite different from V6. Or am I quibbling over semantics?
No it doesn't overwrite Genesis 1 to my knowledge
It does not. Genesis 2 is completely separate. I installed it manually and there were no overwrite warnings.
I haven't gotten around to installing it yet. The forums are to busy atm.
now, what is better in genesis 2.0 against genesis 1?
how many polys have genesis 2 against 1?
what 's changed in the rig?
what's changed in the weightmaps?
or is it just another content milk?
i prefer first to see big changes in the software before move on with other new characters.
LOL I haven't even downloaded it yet.
On that page it states 2000 more polygons
Laticis sent me a pic with Genesis 1 (V5) and Genesis 2 (V6) side by side this morning and being sceptic I soon changed my mind. The difference are very noctiable.
I don't think I'll be making the switch to V6 or G2 anytime soon. I like Genesis 1 - it does everything I need it to, and more. Right now, I don't see any added value by adding the new figure. (And personally, I'd rather the powers that be provide an adequate manual or finish the documentation center with working image links so I can use D/S to the fullest.)
think you are not the only user with these kind of thoughts.
if daz would explain why and give examples people's mind can change but before that happens, i follow you for 100%.
i would like to see the software change huge in pro level, before invest any more content here.
Seconded that lol....
Can I see this picture as well somewhere? So far I don't see that G2F bending any better than Genesis.
Wow! So much yawing and mawing... everyone here will bitch and bemoan, heck I've done so in the past, but its probably best to just check it out first before I commence my "waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh" post later on.
I think I'm pretty much caught up with Genesis 1 and V5 AND M5. At the very least, I hope that we'll be seeing discounted pricing on Genesis 1 and corresponding morphs, clothes and products associated with it right?
So Genesis 2 and V6 already, here we go again, bring it on.
I'll buy Genesis 2 and V6 out the gate... because you know that if you don't. You'll be paying full price for it in the long run. MAAAAAAHHH!
on a side note...
Does she come with the... "ahem" bits?
"cough cough"
:o
Can I see this picture as well somewhere? So far I don't see that G2F bending any better than Genesis.Sorry no and he is in bed at the moment so I cannot ask him to post it or if I can. However I will fire him an email now so when he gets up or back from work we should have an answer.
As per usual in the Pro pack. Though if you already have V5's they are pretty much the same thing and apparently autofit quite well.
TOTALLY AGREE ABOUT A DECENT MANUAL (PDF)
DS 4.6 Has so many functions that I don't have a clue how to use and in many cases I find functions I didn't even know existed. Been using DS since first Beta.
Seconded that lol....
third that, no advanced printable manual = no more play.
Ugh, I just bit the bullet 2 months ago and got GenX, V5, etc. Very aggravating that new content will now, I assume, be split between the ever popular V4, and also V5 and V6.
Fooled me once...not again.
THAT would be a major release, the biggest event ever!
http://www.daz3d.com/new-releases/wynn-for-m5
Did you get this? And I'm not speaking of wishlisting. I could have easily kept him for M6, but I figured Gen1 would like to have an ethnic male character since there are so few available.
No. But I have bought Lora for V5 and Young Teens and was going to buy Rayne for V5, S5 and Young Teens until I decided to save my money and see how V6 panned out. Yes, Wynn is on my wish list because I have limited money, and the other items are more useful to me at the moment.
I would like to say that if Daz's total selection was more like your store, I would not be complaining as much. But there are still categories of people that you haven't done, but that's fine. Every PA should do what interests them, and your products are varied and of the highest quality of any I own.
That being said, when I look at the V6 Pro Bundle, I fume. The same old stuff we have seen since V4 (maybe earlier but V4 is where I came in.) This is not progress in the sense that the majority of the product will be the same old clothes and characters for a good while. PAs that work more on the fringe such as you, will continue on in G2 and it will take that much longer to get variety, because there are not that many PAs who what you do. Yes, you may still offer some G1 product, but not as much as if G2 didn't exist. Not your fault.
I am used to not having my tastes ignored. I like classical music, a real losing proposition as far as new recordings, I only complain here because I think Daz blew what could have been something that could have been a real shot in the arm by rushing this out in the way that they did. G2 male should have come out at the same time, not M6 but G2 male, so that we don't feel ripped off buying new morph packs and character packs twice. Maybe they should have put some time of the release of G2 and V6. They should have allowed Gen X to be updated so that it was available at the time of release. To me, this looks like a rushed project and a money grab. I believe it will backfire and hurt both Daz and PAs.
I have concerns,
As clothing go, I would strongly like to see Pants. Not Capri pants for Gen2/V6.
I don't know if I'm the only one but why is it almost...ALMOST every bit of clothing for Genesis had pants stop at the shins and knees and boots extend to knee.
ie. don't know about you content makers, but walking anywhere in public I see pants over, OVER get that OVER the boots and shoes.
Defiant for Genesis had potential for so many scifi/fantasy uses but again stopping at the knees was a show stopper. Valiant and couragous are still the tool of choice.
As a 3D graphic novelist I do close to or over a 1000 renders and weeks of pre-prep for outfits and nothing is more discouraging than the serious lack of outfit options for Genesis. Sex sells, I get that and so does DAZ from the looks of the outfits it pumps out. (1950's clothing not to be ignored of course.) M5 armor on a V5 character is realistic looking by the way, will V6 and M6 allow cross uses? Or are we looking at a repeat of V4 to m4 clothing ratios?
Autofit: Genesis only works for pants but autofit and dresses are atrocious! And shoes...OMG it's not even worth trying after these few months with V5.
Will the autofit, when updated finally get it right? Right now Genesis is in a hurt locker for options, can we expect any better for Gen2? Lack of clothing options, lack of realistic poses (that standard M4/M5 pose...I have yet to see any man stand that way!), lack of support for pregeneration outfits and lack of the ever elusive Manual (Dont show me it's better, tell me how to make my renders better!).
These are just a scratch on the top of why I don't use Genesis for the graphic novels (12 total so far). V4 and M4 are the standard, Genesis is a toy that never met it's full potential due to it's vast limitations, options and support in an industry that does not like being forced changes quickly and without documented support. ie those shader plugins; would be nice to know what all those line items mean and suggestions to make things better.
Just looking at the new line items in the surface tab for the v6 skin, it too would be nice to know what each one does and the effect they have in a set look or style.
OOT over at Rendo is putting out a ton of outfits for V4 but because of those so many limitations Genesis poses to the masses, as I pointed out, I suspect it's why a huge portion of the estabilished hobbiests and content builders don't use or design for Genesis. Not to mention most of them are Poser users and have been Poser users long before DAZ Studio hit the scene. DSON from what I see isn't the simple plug and play it was intended. Just look at the renders over at DA. It's plainly obvious V4/M4 is still winning the masses.
I'm not a PA, but it doesn't take much to see content builders see the same, just look over at Rendo, RDNA and other sites. DAZ is pushing the envelope but as what expense?
One last personal note: PowerPose. When and is it ever going to be updated for D|SA by DAZ and not 3rd party? It's just another reason I use v4/m4, I can pose in 1/3 the time it takes most people to pose a character but the math is twisted so one side of the body moves in reverse of the other side of the body when I try moveing an arm foreward. (or is that something wrong with my system?)
But then to DAZ I'm just not that significant or it just feels like that .
I want to say Genesis is the future but at this rate and this rush for V6 and Gen2 feels like Microsoft's move from years of XP, switch to Vista (and apples smear campaign to discredit it) to the short used Windows7 and now 8 in our face.
People want stability and options.
I'm on the fence for now but the outlook is pretty bleak at this point.
Can I see this picture as well somewhere? So far I don't see that G2F bending any better than Genesis.
her butt, hips and crotch bend far better than genesis. Not at the PC so I can't show you an example, but that is a fact. I didn't spend a lot of time looking at knees and elbows, but they looked good at least.
But the lower body is a vast improvement. Her crotch doesn't garble up and panties fit better than in the past.
Another question about Genesis 2.0 where is the leg to fish mertail morphing? this was not possible with generation 1.
how about generation 2?
My guess, is that all the same things that could be done, except for the gender bending should be possible for G2. Now though, is that a female and male version of everything will be sold again, and that is probably the reason for the split. It just simply was only half as profitable to sell one version of monster morphs etc. I think that the profits cut in half and scared the hell out of daz lol.
Just want to double check on this. I should be able to convert a V4 outfit using Sickle Rigging and Morphing System and use it in G2, right?
What about full length pants?
I'm wondering which of my comments in my other post got it removed--questioning the contradicting marketing strategy used to promote Genesis 1 and then doing a 180 on promoting Genesis 2, or my comments behind the financial motives for doing so? My guess it's the latter that made the forum police all sensitive.
I'm sitting here laughing at that one statement since I have that same reaction whenever I see that pose used. I'll refrain from commenting since most of what is coming into my head will probably get my post removed and/or get me banned. Already got myself in trouble today (LOL).
Creativemodelsbe how many times does this have to explained to you, you cannot make a mertail MORPH for ANY BIPEDAL FIGURE, this isn't how morphs work. A morph is the pushing and pulling of the vertices of mesh to get a new shape. Morphs most have the same vertex count and order of the original mesh. Therefore you cannot remove or add vertices, even if the vertex count remained the same after removing and adding the order would still be changed.
Like Kattey I don't see much improvement in the bending of the G2F which makes me think V6 must add a lot of JCMs to get that.
No. Sickle's rigging only works on G1. You'd have to ask her if she plans on updating it or not. Although, I haven't tried manually copying the SRM template files manually into the G2 data folders.