New! Novica & Forum Members Tips & Product Reviews Pt 14

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  • vwranglervwrangler Posts: 4,888

    barbult said:

    If you got the $10 store credit for doing the survey, be aware that the orange banner today says that credit expires on Jun 21. I've never heard of store credit expiring before, have you?

    No, I haven't. How would that even work? If you haven't spent it, do they just yank it out of your account? What if you have other store credit in your account? Do they just assume that the next $10 in credit that you spend comes from that, or do they assume that the *last* $10 credit in your account is the survey credit?

    It almost feels like accidental boilerplate left in, except that they've never expired store credit before, so it's shiny new boilerplate! Hopefully accidental.

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,244

    vwrangler said:

    barbult said:

    If you got the $10 store credit for doing the survey, be aware that the orange banner today says that credit expires on Jun 21. I've never heard of store credit expiring before, have you?

    No, I haven't. How would that even work? If you haven't spent it, do they just yank it out of your account? What if you have other store credit in your account? Do they just assume that the next $10 in credit that you spend comes from that, or do they assume that the *last* $10 credit in your account is the survey credit?

    It almost feels like accidental boilerplate left in, except that they've never expired store credit before, so it's shiny new boilerplate! Hopefully accidental.

    You bring up some worrisome questions.

  • NorthOf45NorthOf45 Posts: 5,489
    edited June 2021

    vwrangler said:

    NorthOf45 said:

    Anybody know why Tamati HD for Kwan 8 was updated to remove Kwan 8 from the mix? No other changes, other than a new name (Tamati HD for Genesis 8 Male), but it was very deliberately done. Of course, none of the documentation, description or promos have been touched to indicate anything has changed.

    From the looks of him, I suspect that something wasn't done correctly in the first place, and even though his settings said Kwan was applied at 75% -- I checked that setting before downloading the update -- that wasn't actually happening.

    Image below has new Tamati without Kwan on the left, and tattooed Tamati with Kwan at 75% on the right. Left Tamati looks MUCH more like the version on the product page than the version on the right. Kwan Tamati is shorter, his face is MUCH flatter (you can't see that in this image), and his body is so muscular that it actually doesn't look right. My guess is that the change basically just acknowledges the reality that there actually isn't any Kwan in there.

    Tamati without and with Kwan 75%

    I also did one with Kwan at 25% which I suspect is closer to where he was intended to be.

    Kwan at 25%

    Also, I suspect that means that the image of Tamati without Kwan in his product page is actually Tamati with negative amounts of Kwan, which would explain why he looks so ... odd.

    I do not get the same shape as you with the original Tamati and the new Tamati.

    This is a comparison of the orignal Tamati on the right (100% Tamati, 75% Kwan 8), with the new Tamati on the left (100% Tamati, 0% Kwan 8) and they both look the promo images in the original. The last product promo shows Tamati with no Kwan 8, and looks exactly like new Tamati (the one on the left).

    This is a comparison of the same two with new Tamati with 75% Kwan 8, and the original Tamati. They are virtually identical .

    Your original Tamati 8 (1st pic, on the right) I can only get by loading original Tamati (which starts with 100% Tamati and 75% Kwan 8 head, and 75% Kwan 8 body, but not any Kwan 8 as in "People"). Dialing in an additional 75% Kwan 8 adds another 75% to the head and body morphs for a total of 150%, and gives me the figure on the right, which looks a lot like your default.

    So, maybe the original control added too much Kwan 8, but now it adds none. Maybe the idea was to not add Kwan 8 Head and Body and just use Kwan 8 Full. Or maybe just use Kwan 8 Head and Body morphs and not add Kwan 8 Full.

    Unfortunately, I cannot have both old and new Tamati installed at the same time since they use the same filenames, but the new one definitely removes too much.

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  • vwranglervwrangler Posts: 4,888

    NorthOf45 said:

    So, maybe the original control added too much Kwan 8, but now it adds none. Maybe the idea was to not add Kwan 8 Head and Body and just use Kwan 8 Full. Or maybe just use Kwan 8 Head and Body morphs and not add Kwan 8 Full.

    Unfortunately, I cannot have both old and new Tamati installed at the same time since they use the same filenames, but the new one definitely removes too much.

    That is weird. I wonder why my default Tamati doesn't look like yours? Yours very clearly has no Kwan at all, whereas mine ... I have no idea. I even looked at him with Show HIdden, but there's nothing there but his own morph at 100% and some eyelashes morphs and navel and nipples. 

  • NorthOf45NorthOf45 Posts: 5,489

    Okay, now it's messing with me...

    I load a new Tamati and he looks like the original promos. No Kwan 8 morphs to be seen, but he looks the same. Obviously the new morphs have incorporated the look that came from Kwan 8's contribution. Must have been a memory cache thing that was using some older content file that has been replaced. I knew it was going to cause problems, should have restarted Studio first...

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,905

    vwrangler said:

    barbult said:

    If you got the $10 store credit for doing the survey, be aware that the orange banner today says that credit expires on Jun 21. I've never heard of store credit expiring before, have you?

    No, I haven't. How would that even work? If you haven't spent it, do they just yank it out of your account? What if you have other store credit in your account? Do they just assume that the next $10 in credit that you spend comes from that, or do they assume that the *last* $10 credit in your account is the survey credit?

    It almost feels like accidental boilerplate left in, except that they've never expired store credit before, so it's shiny new boilerplate! Hopefully accidental.

    In the past they certainly used the eligible credit with the nearest expiry first, so as long as you spend $10 or more by the 21st I would expect there would be no impact. if you do spend less than $10 by the 21st I would expect the balance of the $10 to be removed, but nothing else. If that isn't what happens then it will certainly be a matter for support, and we would also forward it to Daz.

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,887

    Does anyone know a Daz product which has swiss cheese in a round or block of cheese shape? I don't want the flat sandwich kind. I've looked through most of the food products and don't see any.

  • NathNath Posts: 2,804

    There is a Swiss cheese shader in this: https://www.daz3d.com/41-food-shaders , so you could try that on a primitive.

    There are cheeses in these products as well (no Swiss, but perhaps with the shader applied?)

    https://www.daz3d.com/dirty-dishes

    https://www.daz3d.com/picnic-basket

     

  • NathNath Posts: 2,804
    edited June 2021

    And there's always Blender (with the 41 food shaders cheese applied) - just a quick attempt.

     

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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,131

    NorthOf45 said:

    Anybody know why Tamati HD for Kwan 8 was updated to remove Kwan 8 from the mix? No other changes, other than a new name (Tamati HD for Genesis 8 Male), but it was very deliberately done. Of course, none of the documentation, description or promos have been touched to indicate anything has changed.

    You must be looking at something else as when I follow your link that product still lists Kwan 8 as being a requirement.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,131

    Novica said:

    Does anyone know a Daz product which has swiss cheese in a round or block of cheese shape? I don't want the flat sandwich kind. I've looked through most of the food products and don't see any.

    Has a quarter of Swiss cheese but not the entire round.

    3D Universe Toon Mouse | Daz 3D

    You'll need to udate the materials to be a bit more realistic.

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,887

    nonesuch00 said:

    Novica said:

    Does anyone know a Daz product which has swiss cheese in a round or block of cheese shape? I don't want the flat sandwich kind. I've looked through most of the food products and don't see any.

    Has a quarter of Swiss cheese but not the entire round.

    3D Universe Toon Mouse | Daz 3D

    You'll need to udate the materials to be a bit more realistic.

    Perfect!  I didn't see the cheese prop listed when I looked at it. Thanks so much! 

    I had tried the 41 food shader cheese texture, but it stretches horribly even with tiling and won't work well on rounded. I tried it on a triangle and it didn't look good either, my tweaking was horrible. (Skill of the user.)  I do love the Blender one!

    The book has plug-in effects so the cheese doesn't have to look realistic, and I'm doing a lot of hand painting after the plug-in is used, and several other effects so realism is really lost :)   Thanks everyone!  

  • NorthOf45NorthOf45 Posts: 5,489

    nonesuch00 said:

    NorthOf45 said:

    Anybody know why Tamati HD for Kwan 8 was updated to remove Kwan 8 from the mix? No other changes, other than a new name (Tamati HD for Genesis 8 Male), but it was very deliberately done. Of course, none of the documentation, description or promos have been touched to indicate anything has changed.

    You must be looking at something else as when I follow your link that product still lists Kwan 8 as being a requirement.

    None of the supporting resources have been changed (product page or ReadMe, because, you know, they're a priority), but the product download is quite clearly named "Tamati HD for Genesis 8 Male" in DIM and the supplement.dsx file. Same SKU (71479) , same part (-01), different name (IM00071479-01_TamatiHDforGenesis8Male.zip), so I am not mistaken. If DAZ's solution was to bake in the Kwan 8 morphs with Tamati, I say it was a bad move, if you want Tamati without Kwan 8, as is shown on the original product page.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,131

    NorthOf45 said:

    nonesuch00 said:

    NorthOf45 said:

    Anybody know why Tamati HD for Kwan 8 was updated to remove Kwan 8 from the mix? No other changes, other than a new name (Tamati HD for Genesis 8 Male), but it was very deliberately done. Of course, none of the documentation, description or promos have been touched to indicate anything has changed.

    You must be looking at something else as when I follow your link that product still lists Kwan 8 as being a requirement.

    None of the supporting resources have been changed (product page or ReadMe, because, you know, they're a priority), but the product download is quite clearly named "Tamati HD for Genesis 8 Male" in DIM and the supplement.dsx file. Same SKU (71479) , same part (-01), different name (IM00071479-01_TamatiHDforGenesis8Male.zip), so I am not mistaken. If DAZ's solution was to bake in the Kwan 8 morphs with Tamati, I say it was a bad move, if you want Tamati without Kwan 8, as is shown on the original product page.

    Oh, I didn't expect that they'd updated the product but not the actual listing.

  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 12,736
    edited June 2021

    nonesuch00 said:

    Novica said:

    Does anyone know a Daz product which has swiss cheese in a round or block of cheese shape? I don't want the flat sandwich kind. I've looked through most of the food products and don't see any.

    Has a quarter of Swiss cheese but not the entire round.

    3D Universe Toon Mouse | Daz 3D

    You'll need to udate the materials to be a bit more realistic.

    Also Mouse by AM has a small chunk of swiss cheese

    https://www.daz3d.com/mouse-by-am

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  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 6,880

    Ugh, I saw the outfithttps://www.daz3d.com/cb-cento-for-genesis-8-and-genesis-81-females and thought it was cool that it was so cheap. Now I see why. It only has ONE material zone and the fit is awful! Has anyone else tried this with better results? I did add metallic flakes but that wouldn’t cause the weird bulge. 

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,905

    Wonderland said:

    Ugh, I saw the outfithttps://www.daz3d.com/cb-cento-for-genesis-8-and-genesis-81-females and thought it was cool that it was so cheap. Now I see why. It only has ONE material zone and the fit is awful! Has anyone else tried this with better results? I did add metallic flakes but that wouldn’t cause the weird bulge. 

    The bulge on the left hip looks to be by design, see one of the pop-ups:

    I'm not quite sure what you are picking up on the crotch.

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,887

    Charlie Judge said:

    Also Mouse by AM has a small chunk of swiss cheese

    https://www.daz3d.com/mouse-by-am

    What exactly is the catalyzer? 

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,887

     Medieval Kitchenware isn't in my DIM. I own it. It's in my Product Library and shows purchased. See if you own it, and if you aren't being provided it in DIM?

  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,056

    Novica said:

    Charlie Judge said:

    Also Mouse by AM has a small chunk of swiss cheese

    https://www.daz3d.com/mouse-by-am

    What exactly is the catalyzer? 

     https://www.daz3d.com/lamh-2-iray-catalyzer
     

    Let's you render (certain) LAMH hair in Iray. 

  • vwranglervwrangler Posts: 4,888

    Novica said:

     Medieval Kitchenware isn't in my DIM. I own it. It's in my Product Library and shows purchased. See if you own it, and if you aren't being provided it in DIM?

    I own it and it's there, but the issue is that it's partially misspelled.

    "Medieval" is spelled correctly. "Kitchenware" is, however, missing the first I, so it's just "ktchenware" in DIM. If that's the word you were searching in DIM, that's why you couldn't find it. If you look at the file names in the product library, you can see the misspelled name there.

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,887

    vwrangler said:

    Novica said:

     Medieval Kitchenware isn't in my DIM. I own it. It's in my Product Library and shows purchased. See if you own it, and if you aren't being provided it in DIM?

    I own it and it's there, but the issue is that it's partially misspelled.

    "Medieval" is spelled correctly. "Kitchenware" is, however, missing the first I, so it's just "ktchenware" in DIM. If that's the word you were searching in DIM, that's why you couldn't find it. If you look at the file names in the product library, you can see the misspelled name there.

    Interesting- is the product supposed to be Kitchenware or Ktchenware though? If you look at the product description, it uses the ktchenware.  

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 6,880

    Richard Haseltine said:

    Wonderland said:

    Ugh, I saw the outfithttps://www.daz3d.com/cb-cento-for-genesis-8-and-genesis-81-females and thought it was cool that it was so cheap. Now I see why. It only has ONE material zone and the fit is awful! Has anyone else tried this with better results? I did add metallic flakes but that wouldn’t cause the weird bulge. 

    The bulge on the left hip looks to be by design, see one of the pop-ups:

    I'm not quite sure what you are picking up on the crotch.

    It comes with a waist morph to suck in the waist which is why the hips look exaggerated in the promo. I didn’t use that morph and there is a distinct weird bulge on the right. Also the crotch is awful if the character is in any pose besides neutral. And even the boots are ONE material zone. Not even a separate zone for sole. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that before. In any case, I sent in a ticket to return. I always wait too late to test things and end up with a lot of faulty products that can take years to fix or are never fixed. I doubt this will be fixed, so I’m returning it.

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,887

    In case you hadn't noticed this one, it's in the stores today (which go to about 60% off if you get a new / debut item, I am picking up the PC+ ones, and if you are PC+)

    GNBD Pool Props has deflated/process of being deflated pool toys. It also has a pool toy which is folded so you can put it under an arm for carrying. 

  • HylasHylas Posts: 4,988

    Disappointing... I've had a good impression of CynderBlue products so far. I only have characters though, no clothing items.

  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 4,115

    Out of curiosity I did a search online of my products for 'CB' and found I had 10 clothing outfits and 8 characters by CynderBlue. Looking at the images, I can't remember any issues when I rendered them. One I haven't rendered, it was part of a Daz O Pro Pack and wasn't anything I was interested it. But I can't see anything on it that might cause issues. The characters were interesting and unique, not cookie-cutter at all.

    The image that Wonderland posted showing the gap at the crotch and the weird shape on the upper arm, something went wrong. Would it still do it with the basic G8F body? I don't have this outfit so I can't test it.

    Mary

     

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 6,880

    memcneil70 said:

    Out of curiosity I did a search online of my products for 'CB' and found I had 10 clothing outfits and 8 characters by CynderBlue. Looking at the images, I can't remember any issues when I rendered them. One I haven't rendered, it was part of a Daz O Pro Pack and wasn't anything I was interested it. But I can't see anything on it that might cause issues. The characters were interesting and unique, not cookie-cutter at all.

    The image that Wonderland posted showing the gap at the crotch and the weird shape on the upper arm, something went wrong. Would it still do it with the basic G8F body? I don't have this outfit so I can't test it.

    Mary

     

    Yes, I love CB’s characters and own several. I also have several outfits that I realize I have never used! This was on Kiko’s Body with a bit of Xiao Mei (that automatically loads with G8.1 now!) but dialed down a lot. It probably works on generic G8.1 but who uses that?  

  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 4,115

    Wonderland, if you have time, try a test on G8.1F, just to see if there is a gap or weirdness. I know that for now, G8.1F loads pretty fast for me, because I don't have many 8.1 characters or morph sets yet. Then you may be able to see if it was the character you worked on, or in the outfit's issue. I think outfits are supposed to be tested on the base characters, G8F and G8.1F if sold for them. Would that be correct?

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,131

    Novica said:

    In case you hadn't noticed this one, it's in the stores today (which go to about 60% off if you get a new / debut item, I am picking up the PC+ ones, and if you are PC+)

    GNBD Pool Props has deflated/process of being deflated pool toys. It also has a pool toy which is folded so you can put it under an arm for carrying. 

    Oh thanks, that looks useful.

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,887
    edited June 2021

    Here's a look at the basic render of part of the image I'm using with the mouse and cheese in the scene. This shows the color of the cheese (default) which comes with the 3d Universe Toon Mouse. The mouse is Mouse by AM. The finished scene won't look like this as hand painting, several programs, and plug-ins on top of plug-ins are being used. I've got 13 of the 28 or so renders done but will have to fine tune and rework some of them. I hope to get this sucker done before hurricane season really kicks in, but won't be releasing it until I have a second book done too. So I am aiming for the fall. Anyone else have books out right now? 

    It's a large image so you can see the adorable details of the mouse :)  Click to enlarge, click again. 

     

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