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Buying more G9 or G8/8.1 Daz products these days?

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  • M-CM-C Posts: 104

    I´m avoiding G9 as well. Like others allready mentioned, it´s just no real improvement over G8 imho.
    And I´m not buying much at all these days since lately almost all major discounts are tied to buying new releases which are mostly made for G9.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,069

    ...⬆This⬆

  • MimicMollyMimicMolly Posts: 2,195
    If it were not for my current financial status, I'd be buying up G9 stuff. (I wish there were more masculine fashions.) I don't mind going back and using G8, but I practically dumped that the moment I saw G9 is unisex. That's what kept me using G1 up until G8 was first released.
  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,082

    MimicMolly said:

    If it were not for my current financial status, I'd be buying up G9 stuff.

    Very same.

  • Calliope23Calliope23 Posts: 531

    I like using a little bit of everything. I just dumped a cart, because I can't in conscience let myself go into any more debt for a hobby. So I totally empathize with the financial enormity of this hobby.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,239

    well they did sell me 2 more 8.1's today with JOYFUL8

    creatures so don't need many expressions cheeky

  • miladyderyni_173d399f47miladyderyni_173d399f47 Posts: 1,774

    Mostly buying G8 and some G3, when I am buying anything. My budget is very limited so far this year, plus too many deals are linked to New Releases. Yes, I know there's props, environments, etc. being released BUT I am still not buying those unless they interest me and I don't have something similar already. 

    So what little I have bought has been from the "up to X items at $Y.99 each" daily promos/flash sales that don't require a buy-in, and I prioritize my wishlist &/or favorite PAs.

     

     

  • Seven193Seven193 Posts: 1,080
    edited March 2023

    Quasar said:

    I'm only buying G8/8.1 products still. I'll get a G9 products if it supports 8 as well.

    Exactly. Content creators should continue bundling G8 and G9 together as one product, because not everyone is jumping on the G9 bandwagon. In other words, making it exclusive to G9 means less people will buy it.

    And not providing any adequate G8 To G9 full character conversion tools may also have something to do with the lack of interest.

     

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  • Calliope23Calliope23 Posts: 531
    edited March 2023

    I wasn't sure about V9's freckles at first, but I like doing portraits and the portrait I did of her with her freckles got the most likes in the gallery I've ever had, which is kind of ironic. laugh I've heard the various complaints about G9 but I like G9. I just have more G8 content than G9 and also and a tiny bit of 8.1 content to play with. I thought Victoria 8.1 was pretty so I got her on a deep discount during some sale quite a long time after she debuted.

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  • TimbalesTimbales Posts: 2,345
    Seven193 said:

    Quasar said:

    I'm only buying G8/8.1 products still. I'll get a G9 products if it supports 8 as well.

    Exactly. Content creators should continue bundling G8 and G9 together as one product, because not everyone is jumping on the G9 bandwagon. In other words, making it exclusive to G9 means less people will buy it.

    And not providing any adequate G8 To G9 full character conversion tools may also have something to do with the lack of interest.

     

    Good in theory, but my concern would be an increase in price and/or a lowered quality of the product. Stuff for men is already in short supply, stuff made really well even less. Making something that looks good on G8/8.1 and doesn't fall victim to the shrinkwrapped breast effect on G9 sounds almost impossible.
  • tyra_oeildelouptyra_oeildeloup Posts: 329

    Quasar said:

    I'm only buying G8/8.1 products still. I'll get a G9 products if it supports 8 as well.

    This ^ Generation-gating is not very good in my opinion... 

  • SofaCitizenSofaCitizen Posts: 1,897

    Calliope23 said:

    I wasn't sure about V9's freckles at first, but I like doing portraits and the portrait I did of her with her freckles got the most likes in the gallery I've ever had, which is kind of ironic. laugh

    Well, some of us are quite fond of freckles so that may explain some of the extra likes :)

  • Calliope23Calliope23 Posts: 531

    SofaCitizen said:

    Calliope23 said:

    I wasn't sure about V9's freckles at first, but I like doing portraits and the portrait I did of her with her freckles got the most likes in the gallery I've ever had, which is kind of ironic. laugh

    Well, some of us are quite fond of freckles so that may explain some of the extra likes :)

    You could be right! :) I did a V9 portrait with foundation makeup covering her freckles (the ones on her face anyway). It didn't get as many likes. I do love playing with those card eyebrows too. One can change her face so much just by changing the shape of the eyebrows.

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    Yeah... Mom is a redhead with freckles, which makes me think something is missing, if they are not there laugh

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,034
    edited March 2023
    Is there a means to get g8 skin textures on g9? If so, and the pricee is right, I would use g9 more often. I just bought g8.1 males but again the incompatibility with g8 has slowed me down there. Compatibility is key. When it's not there it makes me feel it's more of a way to keep the money train on track.
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  • TimbalesTimbales Posts: 2,345
    daveso said:
    Is there a means to get g8 skin textures on g9? If so, and the pricee is right, I would use g9 more often. I just bought g8.1 males but again the incompatibility with g8 has slowed me down there. Compatibility is key. When it's not there it makes me feel it's more of a way to keep the money train on track.
    There is: https://www.daz3d.com/legacy-uvs-for-genesis-9-genesis-3-8-and-81-male I bought it, it works well.
  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,015

    I buy G9 only, unless there's something I think I can adapt from G8 that's particularly unique.

    I really like how Genesis 9 functions, I love the unisex base, I love working with it, and I've been pleasantly surprised how well a lot of previous content works with it.

     

  • rcourtri_789f4b1c6brcourtri_789f4b1c6b Posts: 258

    I'm not throwing any money at Genesis 9 yet.  No real surprise there, as I haven't been an early adopter of previous generations, but I'm starting to have doubts that I'll ever get much use out of Genesis 9:

    1. To me, it's the worst body shape of any Genesis figure, a big slab of a torso perfect for Gumby fanfiction, but not ideal as a base for the sorts of humans, male or female, that I would want to render.  The body shapes I'm seeing for PA-created character models are not usually tempting for me to purchase, especially since I'd be paying a premium for newness while older generations are seeing deeper discounts in pricing.

    2.  The trend seems to be to try to appeal to users who enjoy closeups and extreme closeups and have an interest in skin microdetail and differentiation of pigmentation (freckles, vitiligo, etc.).  I generally prefer medium-distance shots, and I'm more interested in geometry (body shape) than skin detail, where I would generally prefer smooth complexions.

    3. There doesn't seem to be any improvement in joints from Genesis 8.  In the renders I'm seeing, the neck, shoulders, and upper arms have the same issues as previous Genesis figures, and sometimes the wrists and elbows look worse.

    4. A figure fits into a larger system to produce finished renders, which is all I'm interested in.  Daz and PAs are hoping (understandably) that I'll spend money on a new figure to use within the same app with the same render engines.  And a new generation of figure doesn't solve issues with hair or clothing fits.  I'm not seeing better renders since the introduction of Genesis 9, and much of that is due to issues which couldn't be solved by the introduction of a new generation of character model by itself.

    5. Similarly, the hair, wardrobe, and props sold along with the figures aren't radically better than Genesis 8 stuff.  It's just stuff made to fit Genesis 9.  It's the same genres and ideas, same Iray materials, same dForce, same hairstyles with new names (usually).  If I could make essentially the same render with Genesis 8 assets, why spend money on the newest stuff at higher prices?

    6.  Of course, things could change radically with Daz 5.0 or Genesis 9.1.  At, that point, we're just speculating, optimistically or pessimistically.

    [I'm too afraid to do a web search to see what's out there for Gumby fanfiction.  Most of it is probably NSFW.]

     

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,943

    Bought the basic DO G9 stuff to check it out (not fond of the default figure so hard to get good results without morphs etc.), plus a few things extra, some by accident because I still haven't made a habit of checking if new products is for G8 or G9, but that's OK, I'll keep them as I like them.  But mostly waiting to see where things are going before making any decisions, have tons of G8 stuff so don't really need anything anyway.

  • FirstBastionFirstBastion Posts: 7,764

    Have everything I need with 7 & 8. Not interested in 9.

  • ColinFrenchColinFrench Posts: 647
    edited March 2023

    I'm buying zero G9 products. For me, G9 is a step backwards with more problems than G8 has:

    • Noticably worse bends in certain joints, that "noodle" look.
    • A requirement to render at higher levels of SubD to include details that G8 rendered at the base level, which means rendering is unnecessarily longer.
    • Reverting to a unimesh seems to have led to characters which are less distinctly 'male' or 'female' on average, no not all characters, but many are more "doughy".
    • Increased cost of core figures on average, not talking about current sales but undiscounted price.
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  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,344

    I see camps for G9 the same as I see camps for the AI nonsense. But I won;t name the camps because then my post gets deleted. Anyway, if I see the camps, you probably can, too..

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,344
    edited March 2023

    PerttiA said:

    Torquinox said:

    PerttiA said:

    PixelSploiting said:

    I don't think G9 is going to grow as much as G8+. I think it's not going to take very long until G9.1 or G10.

    DS5 is about to be released (soon), and I wouldn't be surpriced if there wasn't at least a new revision coming with it or soon after it. 

    Soon meaning "Daz Soon?" That could be sometime next year.

    That would still be a short lifespan for G9, compared to G3/G8/G8.1 or even just G8/G8.1

    In that case, G9 is a placeholder the same as 8.1, and no reason for me to touch either of those. YMMV. More reflectively, I really am interested to see what G9 is in about a year, and I am fairly content to wait out a year to see what happens. There was one coupon tht would have got me off the fence, but I missed out on that because the end date was not stated and I wavered on what else to get. So, back to waiting.

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  • xyer0xyer0 Posts: 5,952

    Genesis 1, the previous unisex base, lasted 19 months.

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    Torquinox said:

    In that case, G9 is a placeholder the same as 8.1, 

    Or they could be test dummies for Genesis X, G8.1 for the new shader and G9 for the face

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,142

    xyer0 said:

    Genesis 1, the previous unisex base, lasted 19 months.

    19 months, is that all? I think that was the most creative 19 month period in DAZ history with maybe the period when DAZ did Multiman, Girl 8, Toon Dwayne, Edie 8, & Ollie 8, among other great characters competing. 

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 101,075

    PerttiA said:

    Torquinox said:

    In that case, G9 is a placeholder the same as 8.1, 

    Or they could be test dummies for Genesis X, G8.1 for the new shader and G9 for the face

    That makes no sense at all.

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,015

    ColinFrench said:

     
    • A requirement to render at higher levels of SubD to include details that G8 rendered at the base level, which means rendering is unnecessarily longer.

    This isn't true, though.

     

  • savagestugsavagestug Posts: 175
    edited March 2023

    Slowly upgrading utilities that I deem mandatory, and waiting for corrective morphs for the bad bends before devoting much time or $$ to G9. Got a few characters and made a couple that I'm happy with, but so far sticking mostly with G8

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  • johnjohn808johnjohn808 Posts: 170
    edited March 2023

    I have`nt bought much of anything in a while.

    Im still happy with 8/8.1

    I`m thinking that I may have all that I need for the work that I do, or the sales just aren`t appealing enough for me to buy anything. 

    I just cant seem to find anything that I need or want (even for free) at this time and it`s weird because I spent some bucks last March Madness here and at the other marketplaces. So much that I was in the doghouse for a while.

    But on the bright side, My awesome wife was so shocked that I spent so little the past few months that she let me buy a 2500.00 guitar that I`ve been wanting laugh

     

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