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...that would make me purchase even less as I also rarely bother with character bundles. Not into purchasing things I don't need to get something I like (which is why this "buy in" thing has really made my bankcard content to stay in the wallet.
I'm sticking with G8 and using what I already have. Nothing about G9 motivates me to use it. Anytime a figure is combined to do both genders, I am not thrilled to buy it. If it's such a great idea, why did Genesis get converted back to a two-gender-figures-approach for Genesis 2, 3, etc? I know things will have greatly improved since that was years ago, but why mess with the two genders on different models approach which works just fine?
We all know why.
I am sticking with G8.1 as well. I have a few G9 items, but I've only used the hair. I was really hoping to see more vendors utilize the 9 capabilites of a single figure. But so far, most of the bundles are on themes that don't interest me, or have products I'll use, so I put the odd items in my wishlist, and wait for a time I think I can utilize them, and so far, they are STILL in my wishlist
Honest question to those, who like Genesis 9.
Where do you see the benefits and improvement over G 8.1?
it works in Carrara
Honest answer: The eyes, the 8k Normals Detail map, the non-Genesis-looking head morphs in the hands of a small few creators, namely, the artist(s) behind Victoria 9, Angela 9, & Freja 9. The drawbacks have already been listed.
THAT is actually something, (if only Carrara would have had a side by side development with DS.)
to be fair you need to convert to blended weights under figure rigging and save as a scene subset
but Genesis 3, 8 and 8.1 outright crash Carrara
This not specific to G9. You can create 8k normal maps and unique face and body morphs even for G2.
It should be something that is a feature of the figure itself.
Such as:
Grouping
Rigging
Mesh topology
Mesh resolution
Joint bending
Default pose
Size
Proportions
Unisex mesh
UV layout
Yes, I remember back in the days, trying to get G3 into Carrara. Big problems, espcially with geo grafts.
In fact, one advantage about G9 coming to my mind is the leg stand. Less A stand than G8. Makes it easier with G9 to shape a more realistic Hip/Waist shape.
There has been always the struggle with G8's Hip shape looking weird and wrong on pretty much every character.
I can do what I need with G8 and even G3.
so no G9 thanks at the moment.
I just keep asking myself "do I need it & HOW MUCH"
Got it. Well, at least my answer was good for your first goalpost.
the lack of easy usage of g8/8.1 products (ie clothing/hair) with g9 ultimately stopped me buying any after the initial release. i know there's people with larger libraries than myself, but i have over 5k products from here, and the thought of just chucking them all out for g9 was a bit disappointing.
and after playing a bit with g9, i don't see what's truly improved from g8.1. i sort of felt the g9 character felt a bit less attractive, tbh. i don't know what it is, but it just feels like everything's so determined to be generic and plain with g9 (the figure). i'm not convinced the uni-gender thing is a good thing, either. most products aren't uni, which is weird. so, with most products being either masculine or feminine, i feel i'm being given a product (which i don't blame the asset creators for as i realise the hard work required to build for both genders) which is only half-complete.
ultimately, i felt g9 made itself more confusing/bland with not enough of a payout to invest in it at this stage.
For me I am still buying G8 and G3 content, and if not that then useful plugins and or environment products. The only G9 products I have (mainly clothing and hair), I have because they were made for G8 as well. Other than that I have bought zero, zilch, nada G9 specific content.
Actually, I think G9 has a very impressive level of backward compatibility with G8+ items, given how it's a completely different figure base. It's just my lazyness and G3-G8+ being good enough for what I need along with G9 prices what makes me stick with G8+. Unless a product is something I really need and it comes only for G9. With enough practice and Blender everything can be converted forth and back between G8 and G9, except it takes more time. I like G9 eyes, but those can be forced onto G8 skull too.
Ultimately, I don't care about which gen the figure is. I use whatever I use, but for the time being G8+ is more convenient and faster to use. Cheaper too.
I've just been buying things off my wishlist that's been on it for a while. I wait for them to go on sale and snap them up. I actually bought an outfit from RainbowLight for G3F. Most of buying has been in the form of scenes and rooms. I am not high on G9 in my opinion I feel that it's a figure more suited to portrait use. Generally the figure leaves me cold and not only that I have tons of things for G3 and G8 and cannot support another figure. I'd rather spend the money in upgrades for my PC like a graphics card.
...as to G3 for Carrara, I remember something about Misty having come up with a solution. If the Forums search wasn't so useless, I'd track down the post.
there were still issues
geografts etc still would be a problem but I haven't got any G9 ones to test
I only purchase G9 stuff if it triggers a huge discount on other things. I already actually have all I need for G9 except a good pose converter, waiting for Zevo;s to go on a decent sale. I HATE the new makeup system for G9 and getting lips to look the way I want is a huge pain, so I will only buy a few more characters for their skin or makeup and I'm done with purchasing G9. I've got a bunch of morphs, autofit works fine, so I really don't need to,purchase much else.I recently purchased a bunch more G8/8.1 on deep sale and will only buy more if it's also at least 80% off. I was really waiting for the "you can create ANYTHING" possibilities with G9 and so far have only seen a bunch of bland generic looking characters for females, the only male I purchased was Santa and only because it was part of a bundle, I already have Santa's for previous generations. After you've been here a long time, you pretty much already own all you'll ever need. When G10 comes a long, I'll check it out, but I really hope G9 is very short lived because it doesn't suit my purpose.
There are trans morphs for G8 and autofitting clones...
Have you seen this lip makeup option for G0 https://www.daz3d.com/twizted-makeup-lips-merchant-resource-for-genesis-9
I really like that G9 is unisex. I'll sometimes be able to crossdress my G8 characters, but sometimes that will cause DAZ to crash for me.
I haven't bought that many G9 figures yet, but I did get Thimor. One of my main uses of DAZ right now is to make NPC portraits for my online DnD game. With NPCs, I feel like you want a wide variety of looks, ages, "attractiveness," etc. Anyway, here's an NPC character portrait that I made using Thimor as a base -- it worked well and I liked how easy it was to play with the gender stuff!
We do? Why?
imo, G9 is optimized for the highest volume content seller - adult female characters and content, and that makes perfect business sense.
I've only seen one non-adult female character I thought didn't suffer from G9's default breasts.
I'm supporting G9 from day one.There have been lately quality of life improvements that helped (meaning converters, a decent amount of morphs and great quality products). I do mostly portraits and those are noticeable better with some G9 MATs. Trust me. You won't change my mind on that. G9 still need some work, not gonna lie, But I also remember early G8 characters trying to get their grip, and the debate was similar - if not the same - to this one. And look at us now!
I also work with a lot of G8+ products/characters and as someone pointed out before G9's backwards compatibility being a total different mesh is surprisingly good. This said, I render what I like and what I want not being too picky with which Gen I'm working with. And G3- G8+ prices are so good now that I also bought a lot lately. Not much for a debate on my part that G9 brought us good things to everyone.Like it or not. I'm definetely on the like side of this. Cheers!
Except it doesn't work "just fine" if you need to try to do brother/sister or father/daughter likenesses; at that point you need to jump through a load of hoops to try to transfer morphs between the figures to get a familial resemblance.
And I call that a hassle as someone who knows a fair amount more about transferring morphs and assets between figures than most:
(Just because I *can* do these things doesn't mean I don't want them to be easier).It's a VERY niche benefit, but the common base means that if I make fur, it works on male or female or anything else.