Michael and Friends Appreciation Association [Lots of images, please.]
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If this looks like a promo it is sort of...
I'm doing new textures for smay's Dwarf Clothes and made the Dwarf a hat and just did a render to see what they look like. I didn't do the details on the pants yet, so nothing to see there :P. Stuff will end up in my ShareCG freebies at some point ;).
Just posted for fun :).
Edit: forgot to mention the hair is AprilYSH's old freebie "Mitch hair" which seems to be perfect for this character after the initial resizing, moving and fiddling. Heh.
Laurie
Thank you.
As the person who started this thread, I feel some responsibility for it. I like the way you handled this, when it became apparent text wasn't conveying the true meaning of your response. That happens so much of time. It is so true, what my mama told me so many years ago, "It's not what you say, but how you say it." And "how you say it" (or more accurately, "how you meant it,") frequently doesn't come across in a purely text-based conversation like the forums.
I'm sure no disrespect was intended by either participant.
And keep those lovely images coming, please!
Hugs,
L'Adair
I recognize my directness can be easily misinterpreted. divamakeup and I had a nice private chat and cleared the air. And I may have gotten some good tips along the way, which was really the intent in the first place.
For sure not. Communication via typing is often rife with miscommunication and misunderstandings. We've communicated via private message and cleared the air. :) No worries.
Dawwww He's so cute! He looks a bit sad though - it makes me almost teary looking at that sad face. Really sweet character!
My one word of critique would be maybe lessening the brightness of the eye whites a tad? (I'm sorry if you don't want critque, if so ignore my comment lol). He's such a perfect looking character though that the eye whites are the only thing I could see tweaking that would improve it. Great work!
Excellent and unique character, AllenArt!
nah, I don't mind. That's why I said it looked like a promo. I was more concerned with seeing the texture on the clothing than caring about what the skin looked like at the time. LOL. I have the auto light on on the camera which I nearly always turn off when I'm doing a render ;). That's probably where the extra brightness is coming from ;).
As for the Dwarf Creator - I am having soooo much fun playing with the squishy little faces on these guys. LOL. I think he does look sad, but still adorable ;). smay did a nice job. Thanks smay! :)
Laurie
Thanks! And, yeah, but those people might not have far to pick inside my brain! I thought I'd update my graphics drivers and managed to break my xserver so I'm going to have to fix that. No more Linux based renders until I manage to fix that! I really do hate doing things inside the terminal program as I don't get too much practice anymore since everything is all GUI based. I should have it up and running again soon, though.
Thank you! It's nice to know my skills have grown to the point I can pull something like that off with so little in the way of content. My very early attempts inside DS were never that good! I do believe I'm getting better.
I really like the hat! Nice job! And, yeah, that dwarf creator is loads of fun. I may have made a dwarf or two a few times myself. :) Your's turned out really nicely.
For some reason, genx2 is being totally uncooperative for me. Today, I finally managed to get an old genesis character across to G3M. He got a complete makeover, at the same time. I may have been a little heavy handed with the eyebrow pencil, though.
I like his face! I don't about being heavy handed with the eyebrow pencil. The thicker brows add to his character. It would have been nice to be able to see more individual hairs, though. Nice experssion. What character is he?
Ah, not messed around with DAZ for a few months but I got an email about some SW I bought being updated to handle Genesis 3. I have to say your procedural skin looks massively improved. I'll have to try it again.
I think it could be improved with a slight bit of pores that were shallow and small enough and that's that magic of procedural is maybe you can add a slider for different regions of the Surface Tabs to vary those things.
Of course pores are one of the major varients in between people's skins, but I find these giant HD pores that have become the rage lately make it look like everybody has suffered from an outrageous hormone overdoses as teenagers.
Still looks like Paul McCartney
Personally, I feel the 2nd of those posts was closest, the perlin noise is looking like ISO graininess on your last attempt.
I think he looks Peruvian and needs traditional Peruvian garb.
Really like this one.
Nah, that's some good looking hair on his head & brows. A freebie too. I'm going to have to look at more of AprilYSH's products.
I'll be honest, I'm not too into pores in my renders or in real life personally. The ones I see in 3d look like oversized blackheads and I want to suggest biore strips. =-)
Plus is it wierd that only men get gigantic pores that you can drive a truck through and the females get none? Why is it more 'real' to have mega nose pores on the guys when both genders have pores.
Just a thought, but that's often the case in photos as well as IRL, as many women wear makeup which can reduce the visablity of pores.
Well, I honestly hink it is less intentional than more a thought that pores on women aren't the look most PA's are going for, or generally thought as 'attractive,' and sexy is what sells here, which means clear unblemished skin for the most part. I don't really see a lot of characters that look like they are wearing powder and foundation. And if they did have pores the size of some of these men, which are bigger than most hair folicles you would see it in the closeups even if they were wearing makeup.
About the only female character I've seen with pores is Kalea. But there may be more. It isn't something I like particularly so I tend to stay clear.
I do think it would be nice to have some overlays which could be applied to add some blemishes and imperfections. I just don't like it on the base skin.
Well, honestly, I not trying to be argumenative but just to be sure the mirror and my own experience looking at other people isn't lying to me I looked up a bunch of really big clear digital images of male sports stars and non-famous women (the type that will go out in public with only a washed face a bit of lipstick) and there is hardly a pore to be noticed. In person you tend to notice a few in some people, mostly men, and sprinkled a bit like freckes over their nose and cheeks, just a bit more regular denser pattern and much, much smaller. I also think the vasularity is over done too but some body builders after much cutting and dehydration will look like that or close until they rehydrate.
Is this a product of camera software being set to portrait? Is it just the limits of the eye at a normal viewing distance? So to not be rude use your own face and look in the mirror at different angles and you'll notice the pores that you don't see in the photography but they still aren't as exaggerated as what's become the fad in 3D art. A typical portrait will be like the suds man or the Paul McCartney guy or what not without a noticable pore in sight (well if they have 4K renders full size then you expect to notice them which a lot of trouble).
I've noticed a definite improvement in the art here and other threads since I last messed around in DAZ in late winter though.
Honestly we are so bombarded with Photoshoped images of people that we forget what real people look like. Looking at my own face close up in the mirror, I can definitely see pores. Anyone who can't has either REALLY good skin, is pretty young, is looking at their face in poor lighting, or just doesn't have very good eyesite, imo. lol The VAST majority of the photos we see over the past decade or so are photoshoped. You have to do some actual digging to find photos of people that aren't retouched. But in most close ups of faces (where the photos have not been retouched) pores are usually visible (even with makeup present).
I actually don't disagree with you, and don't think you are being arguementative in the least. I think it is fine to disagree anyway but not really seeing that we do in this case.
In general I do think the pores are overdone, mostly on male characters noses for some reason. I but I also think pores have a lot to do with age, skin tone, and genetics. Older people tend to have larger more noticible pores. Pore size also has to do with skin maintenance, lighting, and also gross as it is whether they have been exfoliating and maintaining skin areas. I do notice pores a lot on people... Maybe I'm weird, but I do note the pores and everyone has them except perhaps the very young children. I think I should've been a dermatologist at times, because I've always liked to help people groom their skin.
I think the above examples are pretty good. Both genders have pores. But it looks funny to me to see them only on men. =-)
I think we tend to notice certain things as artist that bug us, and or that are details we like or don't like. I think for example that Genesis 3 males have too groomed arched and plucked eyebrows for my taste. They also are really pretty hairless, and when they do have hair it is very groomed looking. It is one of the things I ntoice in images of men... How are the eyebrows? Are they too diva-looking? Are there stray hairs? What about body hair?
I like those images Divamakeup. They are beautiful real women.
LMAO, who would have thought I have and virtually everyone I know has better pores than those 3 example women, whose pores by the way look very small if purposely exaggerated by bad angles, sweat, and oil and still small compared to what i'm seeing in DAZ renders. I'm ten foot tall in my shadows too.
Here are 2 football players taken from the top two rows of a Google image search for Big Ben. These are oily, sweaty football players with no makeup. And a couple of female tennis stars too. Very normal photography with no desire to get a bad picture, at a wierd distorted angle, under excessively bright artificial lights with excessive oil foundation or after excessive heat and oil after a day spent under hot stage lights.
One of the things oil and water does is create a slight magnifying effect according the the angle of vision so those women in your example don't really have pores that are that big. Secondly, as a photograph you are not interacting with a person so you are inspecting the photograph for fine detail - something you'd never do when speaking with a person in person, you'd pay attention to only major differences and it's your subconscious doing that, which is why the suds dude and the Paul McCarney guy and the Greek guy posted on this page are more convincing.
The second, third, and fifth images you posted are slightly (2nd and 3rd very slight, the 5th more so) out of focus. Even a slight out of focus image will soften the look of pores. Photographs that are sharply in focus will show pores more. I'm not even sure why you included the forth image as it's small, low res, and not a even close up image. But even though the second and third are slightly out of focus AND much of their faces are covered with scruffy facial hair, I can still see the pores on their faces. Number 2 on the nose in particular (as that's the area that is most in focus).
I'm not going to keep arguing with you. If you can't see that pores are often visible on people's faces in decently lit situations then I really don't know what to tell you. Maybe as an artist who who has been studying faces for 30 years I pay a bit more attention to skin texture than many do and that's why I notice it. If you can't see it or don't notice it, then I don't know what to say other than we'll just have to (as they say) agree to disagree.
Hmmm. Not sure. Is it against forum rules to post picture of real people?
And those pictures you have posted are also excessively zoomed in with telephoto lens on excessively sweaty and oily people in excessively bright lights. Much less natural a situation those people were in than the photos I posted.
Also note that when people come out of a sauna their pores well be opened as much as they can open, which is the situation those ladies essentially were in. Likewise, spend a couple of hours in the outdoors on a snowy day and watch your pores shrink to be smaller and your skin less oily and sweaty than typical and get that rosy glow women use makeup to achieve. As a portrait photographer you want the effect of the people coming out of the cold into a warm place because that is the typical situation in places where professional photographers practice and what a lot of people are used to seeing.
So we'll disagree because it's pretty clear those three ladies aren't using those pictures as publicity portraits. LMAO, those photos where take by photographers that know the effect of oil, water, telephoto, and excessively bright lights when they take pictures to peddle to National Enquirer, TMZ, and other gossip sites.
So... what's the policy, exactly, about linking to an image that violates TOS? Not displaying, obviously... but linking.
I think they will remove the link and if you excessively post pictures or links that violate their TOS they will suspend you from posting for a while. I'm not sure though.
My understanding is that we are allowed to link to images on other sites as long as they have a protocol for mature content preventing underage users from viewing the images. I'm not sure if it states anything specifically for that type of linking in the TOS, though, as I looked and didn't find it. It is possible I may have overlooked a line, though.