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So ... those were his responses.
I know all of the extras will be needed, if not for this cover, for the others :D
Let me know if y'all have any more questions for him :D
Like this? ... or actually touching at the tip of the nose? ... or, without the ring?
Like this? ... or actually touching at the tip of the nose? ... or, without the ring?
I do believe that's what he means :D
Am I right in assuming the points on the end will be rounded later on, and the the balloon will appear to bulge, slightly, against ropes and such later?
:)
There are several ways I can think of for putting the "bulges" in, of varying effort: see if DS will do something reasonable with a "push" modifier... use a displacement map... sculpt the bulges into the balloon skin (it's currently quads in that area, so I'm not sure if there might be a lot of artifacts around the "diagonal" ropes)... rework the balloon skin into "diamonds" to match the netting (then the bulges would be a lot more accurate and artifact free)... or just do it with a texture, put some shadows around the ropes and leave it at that (would only work for long distance shots I'd imagine).
Some experimentation required... after I finish the rest of the deck components... <(^_^)</p>
:)
There are several ways I can think of for putting the "bulges" in, of varying effort: see if DS will do something reasonable with a "push" modifier... use a displacement map... sculpt the bulges into the balloon skin (it's currently quads in that area, so I'm not sure if there might be a lot of artifacts around the "diagonal" ropes)... rework the balloon skin into "diamonds" to match the netting (then the bulges would be a lot more accurate and artifact free)... or just do it with a texture, put some shadows around the ropes and leave it at that (would only work for long distance shots I'd imagine).
Some experimentation required... after I finish the rest of the deck components... <(^_^)</div>
Well, you can never accuse me of not challenging you, lol. At the moment, the plan is to have the ship somewhat in the foreground, at it approaches the scene.
Does that help?
I know two of you are busy with the airship :D
If anyone wants a break, or somebody else wants to play with a custom model, I need a throne:
"She marveled at this piece of art, at this throne. The first thing that drew her attention were the great bronze wings that flowed up and behind from the chair’s arms and back and spread out for about three feet on each side. The dark silhouette of a raven-like bird with the full chest of a dove sat atop the back of the chair. Garlans called this bird a crevix . If Ariannas remembered correctly—and looking at the throne now, she believed she did—the crevix served as the Ilazer family emblem. The black of the bird’s body flowed into the black upholstery of the back and the seat of the chair
The throne itself should also be bronze, except where it's covered by the black upholstery. I'd love to have the bronze be slightly in the rose tone rather than a gold tone. Up to you."
Sound interesting to anybody?
A quick teaser just to let you know I'm still out there working on the airship. ;-P
Working on the upper deck details. Not ready to show the balloon, rigging and motors yet.
I think I've finally gotten a handle on what the condenser coil looks like and where it is located.
Spent a lot of time making sure I had the scale worked out properly. To fit everything requested, the ship's hull actually is closer to 80 feet in length rather then the 70 feet mentioned. This means that the galley is roughly 8 foot square or a little larger then a full size couch in length. This would be the bare minimum in size required to include both cooking and dining activities within the same space. Of course I have no idea if both cooking and dining are supposed to be confined to the same space or separated on board the airship?
I am just speechless from the level of work I am seeing ... amazing work ...
I'm not quite certain what's happening at the tip of the crane... none of the pictures are clear enough to make out - so I just put a few pulleys in and hope you won't zoom in there Aidana ;-).
I like how your model is subtly different 7thStone (^_^) - the curved wall on the pilot house, the extra panelling on the doors, the more egg-shaped air intakes - I'm just blindly following Author's reference model here (along with the minor changes mentioned in the text above). 8sqft for a galley sounds like a _very_ small area (2' x 4')... barely enough to turn around in, holding a frying pan 0.0.
I hope we're not going to swamp your most recent "throne" request Aidana - I hesitated to post any updates for awhile, so that others might get a chance to read that post and perhaps respond <(^_^).</p>
Winged Throne... I have an idea that I hope I can find time to sketch. If I find the time to do so, maybe someone else can run with the idea and model it?
The author sent me a very rough sketch of the throne ...
Extremely fast and crude 3D sketch of an idea for the Winged Thrown, with the wings forming the chair arms. Needs a heck of a lot of work, but what do you think of the general idea? Perhaps I should try it with the wing tips folded upward rather then downward. Hmmm...
Looks like the start of a cool looking throne. I don't think it represents the author's sketch, but I do have another project that can use something very similar to this. :D
I'd like to see where it goes :D
It was started before the author's sketch was posted. :red:
To tell the truth... I'm not quite sure what to make of the author's sketch. Not quite enough information given in just the one view and the written description could be interpreted a number of ways. A combination of a crude (blocked out shapes/forms) side, top, and front view would be of much more help in figuring out the author's specific vision.
...Back to work on the airship. :-P
It was started before the author's sketch was posted. :red:
To tell the truth... I'm not quite sure what to make of the author's sketch. Not quite enough information given in just the one view and the written description could be interpreted a number of ways. A combination of a crude (blocked out shapes/forms) side, top, and front view would be of much more help in figuring out the author's specific vision.
...Back to work on the airship. :-P
Lol ... yeah ... the author apologized for the crudeness of the sketch before I got a look at it, lol.
Let's try this... Below are five numbered images of existing thrones. Which one is most like the author's vision of the throne when it comes purely to the shape and structure of the throne and not its decoration? A separate question would be how is the throne decorated? Is it very spare and frugal in its decoration or elaborate? Do any of the throne's shown have similar levels of decoration?
The wings... I can image the throne's wings being something like the wings on throne "1", only they would be attached lower down on the thrown. They would be attached to the back of the chair as they are in image "1", but would start at the chair arms and end mid way up the chair back. The wings would stretch out to the sides as shown, but also angel backwards. Sound right?
latest description of the throne:
"I would love to see it flow with smoother lines. The wings don't need to look like they come from a fierce bird, something softer. The wings should sweep from the arms and up, not from the back of the chair."
Make any sense?
I do know the main material is bronze, and there is black upholstery on the back and seat areas.
Although it makes basic sense, it isn't of much help. *rolls eyes*
-- Smoother lines.
-- Wings don't need to look like they come from a fierce bird, something softer.
These are important details, but first I would like to establish the basic structure and form of the chair.
-- The wings should sweep from the arms and up, not from the back of the chair.
OK... Does this mean that the wings are "only attached to" and "only touch" the back end of the chair arms? Or, in flowing smoothly from (out of) the chair arms can the wings also be attached to at least part of the sides of the chair arms and touch the back of the chair? Are the wings stretched out straight in a flat and upward plane, stretched back and to the sides and fully extended, or do they have any partially extension or curve to them? Are they stretch more vertically and back then to the sides?
As for the chair itself... Is its construction and framework light or heavy? Is the chair's form ridged and straight up and down or is it more relaxed? Is the chair frame construction conservative and more traditional or more fantastical? Is the chair framework and its dimension anything like those shown in the previously posted examples? If I go by the author's crude sketch I would guess the chair is more traditional, ridged, and conservative in construction, and very straight up and down in its lines with little or no carving or decoration?
The more descriptive the author can be, if they have a clear vision of what they want, the easier, quicker and more accurately I can try and fulfill that vision. This is different from letting the reader fill in the details with their imagination. I'm trying to illustrate the author's imagination more then my own or the readers, unless the author doesn't have a clear vision either.
Also, please take into account that a short excerpt from a story doesn't give me much or any feeling for the style or genre of the story in ways that may very much affect the design of the throne. I'm working in the dark here. Please try and light a candle or two, or three. ;-)
Although it makes basic sense, it isn't of much help. *rolls eyes*
-- Smoother lines.
-- Wings don't need to look like they come from a fierce bird, something softer.
These are important details, but first I would like to establish the basic structure and form of the chair.
-- The wings should sweep from the arms and up, not from the back of the chair.
OK... Does this mean that the wings are "only attached to" and "only touch" the back end of the chair arms? Or, in flowing smoothly from (out of) the chair arms can the wings also be attached to at least part of the sides of the chair arms and touch the back of the chair? Are the wings stretched out straight in a flat and upward plane, stretched back and to the sides and fully extended, or do they have any partially extension or curve to them? Are they stretch more vertically and back then to the sides?
As for the chair itself... Is its construction and framework light or heavy? Is the chair's form ridged and straight up and down or is it more relaxed? Is the chair frame construction conservative and more traditional or more fantastical? Is the chair framework and its dimension anything like those shown in the previously posted examples? If I go by the author's crude sketch I would guess the chair is more traditional, ridged, and conservative in construction, and very straight up and down in its lines with little or no carving or decoration?
The more descriptive the author can be, if they have a clear vision of what they want, the easier, quicker and more accurately I can try and fulfill that vision. This is different from letting the reader fill in the details with their imagination. I'm trying to illustrate the author's imagination more then my own or the readers, unless the author doesn't have a clear vision either.
Also, please take into account that a short excerpt from a story doesn't give me much or any feeling for the style or genre of the story in ways that may very much affect the design of the throne. I'm working in the dark here. Please try and light a candle or two, or three. ;-)
If I am understanding her right ...
The arms of the chair are where the organic form starts. Then it flows up and back, to form a chair back. The sides, being useful for arms, melt down to create a seat, as well. Think of it more like a sculpture, that happens to make a great thrown when some padding at the butt and back are attached.
Whoa... Wait a minute... "organic form" and "melt down"? This is sounding even more sculptural and fantastical then the excerpt led me to believe. :ohh:
Do you mean to tell me that the life-like, organic, wings reach/flow upward from the arm-rests and curve around back to form the chair's back-rest, or do they just curve around behind to support the panel that serves as the chair's back-rest? Does this also mean that the chair's back-rest does not touch or in any way connect with the seat of the chair, but is only held up or formed by the wings?
When you describe the sides as being useful for arms and melting down to create the seat I picture a "U" shaped form as seen from the front with the bottom of the "U" serving as the chair's seat and the top of the "U"'s verticals serving as the chair's arm-rests. This takes me back to my original idea of the vertical arms of the "U" serving as the lower half of the wings, from bird shoulder to bird hand palm, and having the finger and long finger tip feathers rise up and back from the armrest position to form the back of the chair, or to support the back of the chair.
If I am envisioning this correctly, then what do the legs or base of the chair look like? I was wondering if the two frot legs of the chair might look vaguely like bird legs with ball and claw feet, with the back legs joined together and fanned like the tail of a bird?.
Is the entire throne organically sculptural in form?
Whoa... Wait a minute... "organic form" and "melt down"? This is sounding even more sculptural and fantastical then the excerpt led me to believe. :ohh:
Do you mean to tell me that the life-like, organic, wings reach/flow upward from the arm-rests and curve around back to form the chair's back-rest, or do they just curve around behind to support the panel that serves as the chair's back-rest? Does this also mean that the chair's back-rest does not touch or in any way connect with the seat of the chair, but is only held up or formed by the wings?
When you describe the sides as being useful for arms and melting down to create the seat I picture a "U" shaped form as seen from the front with the bottom of the "U" serving as the chair's seat and the top of the "U"'s verticals serving as the chair's arm-rests. This takes me back to my original idea of the vertical arms of the "U" serving as the lower half of the wings, from bird shoulder to bird hand palm, and having the finger and long finger tip feathers rise up and back from the armrest position to form the back of the chair, or to support the back of the chair.
If I am envisioning this correctly, then what do the legs or base of the chair look like? I was wondering if the two frot legs of the chair might look vaguely like bird legs with ball and claw feet, with the back legs joined together and fanned like the tail of a bird?.
Is the entire throne organically sculptural in form?
That's how she is describing it to me. As art that works well as a throne.
She wants the wings flowing from the arms, to the back, then up and out. So they are not attached to the back as much as part of the back. Then the metal on the insides of the arms sort of pours down and across to create a seat. The upper ridges of the turned out wings seem poured from the metal supporting the back area.
The legs would look cool, sort of pouring down from the seat area into talons on orbs. I like that idea. :D
Oh, boy ... for this next project, I need to definitely offer a sizable GC ...
I work with one publisher who pays in royalties, only. I won't see a dime for at least a year after the book if released, and that's assuming there are sales. Having said that, I need a few models made that will allow me to show a tree growing from a humble seed to a full grown tree, and all of the stages in between.
high resolution seed
seed sprouts roots that dig into the ground
seedling sprouting up for the sun
seedling spreading leaves out to catch sunlight
young tree
grown tree
The last two, I think I already have in my runtime. I buy lots of tree sets and seem to remember a couple showing young and fully grown trees. But I haven't come across any package that goes from seed, to seedling, to sapling, to baby tree. If y'all know of any, lead the way, but if not, this would definitely be a project someone could market and expect to sell a lot of, because there is simply nothing like it out there.
Everything needs to be a good resolution for fairly close pov.
So like I have not been asking enough of my modeling friends, maybe someone wants to adopt this, or invite someone to the thread that you think may want to join us.
As mentioned before, even if one plans to market and sell the package at some point, I still want to offer a GC, out of my own pocket. I can see this being useful in my commissioned scenes, as well.
Might I make a suggestion, before anyone goes too far down the road with this? You say that you have mature and sapling-stage trees available. I would suggest that you choose one up front. The reason I say this is that different species have very different seeds, foliage and growth forms and characteristics. To use an extreme example, you wouldn't want a hardwood seed and seedling to somehow miraculously morph into a mature conifer. Even as seeds there is a very great and recognizable difference between the seeds of a maple, an oak and a pine, as examples. I am not sure exactly what vision you might have, but might I suggest an oak if a hardwood/deciduous species is acceptable? Oaks have very distinctive, large seeds (acorns) that sprout and develop vigorously, and they tend to live to be quite old and large, comparatively speaking. Just a suggestion.
Winged Throne W.I.P. Attempt 2...
Again, this is a very crude 3D sketch meant only to explore the throne's most basic form... as if sheets of paper were cut out and fold and rolled into shape. No attempt has been made to give the planes of the throne thickness or organic roundness of edge.
Is this throne design any closer to what the throne should look like? If not I'm going to need a much more detailed description and some orthographic 'stick figure theatre' drawings using basic shapes to block out the throne's forms. If I do have the basic form correct then I will work on refining it and making it even more sculptural and artistic. I will also refine the bird form, making it softer and less like that of a bird of prey. I haven't even begun to hint at proper feather forms here.
Note: I am not happy with the way the wings turned out in this crude sketch. I would keep the leading edges of the wings were they are to form the throne's back-rest, but I would rotate/move the trailing edges of the wings outward and forward so the the undersides of the wings faced forward even more then they do now.
Yes, I do know that the little bird is missing from the top center of the throne. Also, the two small spheres are meant to represent ball & claw (talon) feet.
A quick test of "balloon lumpiness" (sans fins - had to remake the balloon X)... plus trying to get an idea of how much detail will be visible in an "average render"...
The "lumpiness" really helps give it that rustic balloon look and feel. My only suggestion would have been to cut the diameter of the ropes in half, or more.
Nope... Not a lot of detail to be seen in a distant shot of the airship. On my end I've gone a bit nuts with the detail because I'm envisioning other uses for the airship, including renders made from the perspective of someone standing on the airship's deck. As I said... I'm perhaps a bit nuts. ;-)
I wonder why I don't get notices of additions to the thread ... I'll scroll up and respond accordingly :D
Actually, the scene I am planning does happen to be close to the 'viewer'.
Cool! I love the ropes :D Will there be 'end' ropes, connecting the end points of the net?
Some renders will be far off while others close to the viewer.