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I did not fully under stand how it worked at first but I am happy with the sale. Sad I was not able to take advantage of the stone mason one but am happy I was able to get stuff from Ant farm.
I do get that and I was not in favor of this sale set up but we, the PAs, are not in charge of that part of the business. Personally I like the 50% sales better. I'm an impulse buyer myself, I don't want to do math I just want to have fun.
I look forward to any sale really, but I like the Daz sales more than other sites. Sites with 10 percent discounts on any orders over 15 dollar or more that expire faster than your head can turn and have nearly unobtainable monthly "rewards" Daz actually makes me feel like a valued customer. I can find anything I want to on the site with very little effort. The site search is almost as good as Google. To find products on another sites store I have to actually use Google. Only thing I would like too see is a role over option for my PC Member Ship discount when I don't use it. But yes anything that can save me money is good.
I don't think anybody blames the PAs.
It is pretty obvious who is pulling the strings on this noise.
I'm sure when they watered down one of their most popular sales of the year that they expected some backlash.
But hey, nobody takes a step backwards on the chin quite like a DAZ customer.
We seem to love decreased value and increased limitations.
It's like candy.
Yes, absolutely!! Antfarm, I sure hope you didn't think I felt that way by my reply, This is all Daz and their new sales methods, NOT the PAs
I'm probably going to get in trouble for this but here goes:
My experience with business executives is that they are oblivious to what customers like and don't. That's why after the founder of a company sells, retires, or dies, the company never has the cutting edge it did in the past. Most company founders aren't trained in business, to their advantage.
Full disclosure: Business executives rank 5th on my list of people I don't want to spend time with.
I'm probably going to get in trouble for this but here goes:
My experience with business executives is that they are oblivious to what customers like and don't. That's why after the founder of a company sells, retires, or dies, the company never has the cutting edge it did in the past. Most company founders aren't trained in business, to their advantage.
Full disclosure: Business executives rank 5th on my list of people I don't want to spend time with.
Microsoft anyone?
As far as Daz goes I think they are just trying new things and its a matter of trial and error or rather hits and misses. But when you compare it to other sites I would rather make a home here or RDNA.
RDNA is founded by artist and vendors and continues to be run by artist and vendors unlike some other sites who are operated by corporations like BW and others.
TheAntFarm was mentioned in our Art Studio thread, just so you know. SereneNight and I love your store :) (EDIT: I posted this after reading to page 5, I see S.N already posted too.) I've been delighted with the sale because my favorite vendors are all coming up at the same time so it's not hard to get 3 things from even ONE of them. From just your store- roof toppers, wood witch, several killzones, with the fishes, and more. So please don't think everyone is disappointed in the sale, they are only speaking for themselves (and they never represented that any other way) but many of us are scooping up your items and those from other vendors on sale.
However, Saba Taru made one of the best points IMO- it gets very, very hard for folks who have been around awhile, or who buy a lot of items, to continually find 3 things they don't have AT THE SAME TIME FROM LIMITED VENDORS. That, coupled with the other concern repeated over and over- having to buy 3 things at once from a financial standpoint-does make the sale hard for many people.
Hopefully the vendors can put a bug in DAZ's ear that they want a straight 50% off sale? Maybe they'll listen to you folks?
And again, AntFarm-thank you for being with DAZ and at least giving us the opportunity to buy your wonderful items. They rock!
...I'll admit, while I've tried to make the best out of the new sale format, it is tougher, (considering since I am now on an extremely tight budget) to purchase, say, three Stonemason sets at the same time. Even with the 50% discount that still can easily come up to 60$ or more.
I pretty much have to limit myself to around 20$ a week. Makes it difficult to cash in on the full 50% discount pretty much no matter what I buy that I want (as items under 3$ do not qualify). In my position, I definitely cannot afford to purchase something I'd rarely (if ever) use just to get the minimum item or more discount.
I'm not the only one here going through hard economic times either. In the past, sales and the PC (along with the occasional GC or credit) were the only ways I could expand my content/plugin library.
As other have mentioned, it also hurts the PAs as people have been more reluctant to buy because of the 30/40/50 format. I would have loved to get Utopia Labs off my wishlist, but having choice of spending an additional 35 - 40$ to put two more items in the cart or settling for the 30% discount both are beyond my means. So this means Stefan gets 0$ from me instead of 18.50$
20$ a week - doesn't go as far as it used to, a year ago.
I'm all good. I appreciate the kinds words just the same. I love the big sales and getting to see new big releases and inventive new products.
What the sale needs is a wishlist bingo, or lottery. If you won you get everything on your wishlist free. We need more random acts of kindness.
That would be so very awesome! Great idea.
:-)
...tell me about it.
At least I can get the Grimizer, Rusticator, and one of the AntFarm sets I wanted.
...+1
Wow oh wow I love that idea. ;-)
Didn't they do something like that at one point? Or was it more of a single, random item from your wishlist free? I vaguely recall something like this.
Likely before my time, but then I've only experienced the last two cycles.
The HOT PROMOTIONS page usually gives me a big headache when I go over there and try to figure out what it means... and I see nothing special during this festival?? as its been the same as before.. buy 1 get this, buy 2 get that, buy 1 from here and get this % from this category. I like RDNA... here is your 60% off sale items.. boom... and they usually stay there for a month or so.
It looks as if these '50% off if you buy a pair of crutches, a trampoline and a kettle drum'- sales are the new DAZ credo. Nobody seems to like those sales (including myself), but regardless of all complaints DAZ repeats them time and again. There are two possible reasons for such a behaviour: 1. It pays 2. It doesn't, but this type of sale is a new doctrine of salvation in marketing and not to be questioned - until it's failure becomes evident.
Greetings,
It pays.-- Morgan
-- Morgan
Are you sure? And if yes, for how long?
-- Morgan
Are you sure? And if yes, for how long do you think it will pay?
Nobody in this thread has that answer. ;)
Greetings,
Are you sure? And if yes, for how long?I'm fairly sure. Like many others, I signed up to be an affiliate, and while I don't make any real money off of it, I do get a feel for the responses to sales. I have to balance the slowdown that is due to my own lack of 'pimping' my (honestly useful!) site vs. due to DAZ's changes in sales mechanisms, but I can definitely say that there is a positive reaction to some sales, and the actual upticks in sales are not particularly affected by how loudly unhappy folks are on the forums.That's not to say that DAZ doesn't care; they do. But...*sigh*...here's where I stick my foot in my mouth. Most of these products are top-notch, and...it's rough, and painful, to see anchoring causing people to underestimate the value of what's being offered.
Maybe...try this line of thinking: the quality of the products have gotten better, the prices are roughly the same, and perhaps DAZ is leery of high-profile PA's getting all the income on certain days of the PA sale. Seriously, who would want to go up against Stonemason? At a flat 50% off across the board, one dominant artist will reap a significant percentage of the income on a given day, leaving other artists being passed over.
With a buy-any-3-get-50%-off sale, it makes folks who want the 50% off actually dig into the back catalog of some of the other same-day artists. Sure, YOU (nameless reader) don't want to, because you're just looking for a fix of the one name you care about, but the folks who seem to be buying DO. And I imagine (or perhaps I hope!) that makes it less bitter to have a discounted sale that goes up against TheAntFarm or any other major Name.
The best I can offer is that as an affiliate with a very anonymized micro-peephole view of the buying habits of some segment of users, this sale seems to encourage mixed cart purchases, and has a slightly higher average sale price than other recent sales. We're only 2-3 days in, though, so we'll see what happens. There are TONS of variables I don't have, but having experienced DAZ for a year and a half, they have made very good business decisions. Not so popular on the forum, there's no denying that, but business-wise...not so bad.
And, having shoved my foot deep in my throat, let me say that if you want a holistic view of ALL the discounts available on DAZ at this moment, please drop by my site. I seriously try to be helpful, and am not an advertising site. If you're willing to trust me (entirely optional!) my software will even send you emails once a day with items on your wishlist that are newly discounted that day, or flash sales that happen generally within an hour of them starting.
For example, did you know that the Timeless Fairy Bundle is 66% off right now? Or that there are 4 items at 69% off for PC members, Carrara 8.5 Pro, Hiro 3.0 Mega Bundle, Hiro's Anime Poses, and Safari Furniture for Kids4?
Look, I get that DAZ is changing things at a prodigious rate, and there's a lot of people with '2003-*' in their start dates here. That's going to be rough, and there's no denying that. I believe that there is crazy value in the products being offered, but the long-time users expectations are anchored in those past sales. It's a conundrum, and I know I wouldn't want to try to pilot a company through those shoals.
I hope for the folks who have limited overlap in PA's in their wishlists that DAZ has a catch-up sale which shows 3+ items for everyone, and the best of luck to all. I have found that as I get older, I get more optimistic. Darn it, I was promised I could be a crotchety old person, NOW look at me!
-- Morgan
Those big discounts people are finding are only for PC members.
Well, even with awesome sales, I still can't buy everything I want. If money's tight for us, it shouldn't take too much imagination to reckon that money's tight for a lot of the PA's too - not exactly a lot of millionaires in their ranks either.
If it looks like a fair price and I have the money in my wallet, I'll buy.
If not, then I won't.
Go into a shop and ask for last year's sale prices because this year's are crap - you'll probably be politely advised you should've bought last year if you felt it was such a good deal... then security would promptly drop your ass in the street if you started to kick-off about it.
I'm not saying we can't have a moan about it - just don't expect the moaning to change anything. But, if sales results are not hitting targets, then maybe that would cause a revision of strategy.
Not to mention that those great deals listed are old products that have been practically given away during PC anniversary and other sales over the years Most of them went as low as $1.99.
One, I doubt that in a half off sale anymore than the Flash sales that DAZ doesn't make any money on deal. No, the PA and DAZ don't make as much as if it was an intro sale or some of their other sales but they do make money.
While I'm sue there are new members who accept the way things are now, not everyone will. I'm not going to search through some PA's back catalog just to buy an item to make the "you have to buy 3 items to get the full discount" rule. While I probably would have purchased more than one item from at least two of the PA's who have already been on sale, I looked at this latest, shrugged and decided "the heck with it".
If you are going to buy a lot of content, you really should be in the PC. That being said, with its current structure, the PA sale is not premium sale of the year that it used to be. In the last 3 or 4 months almost all of the most popular artists have had sales that have been better, some up to a 60% straight up sale. The only point of the PA sale as it stands now, is to get some of the PAs who never seem to have a sale. If this sale structure wasn't working, you can be sure that DAZ would not repeat it. Even old dinosaurs like me need to change or leave the game. (Did someone say extinct?)
BTW, Morgan has it right! :-)
At one time the annual half-off PA sale and PC anniversary sale along with March Madness were the most anticipated sales. I would have thought that after to lackluster responses to the past two March Madness and last year's PC anniversary sales, DAZ would have taken a hint and not gone this route. Especially after the change over from PC vouchers to coupons.
My disappointment with the sale is it really isn't affordable for me. I may be able to buy 1 item occasionally, but I don't want to blow my whole budget in a matter of days because I must buy 3
I have waited for a while for one of Flipmode's sets to go on sale during this sale. But I do not need anything from any of the other PA's on sale at the same time. So I'm outta luck.
I honestly wish, if I HAD to purchase 3 items to get 50% DAZ would let me choose which 3 items from which 3 vendors.
That would at least allow me to choose things on my wishlist I wanted to buy.