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After posts from the actual DAZ people, almost painfully trying to explain how the season pass render contests would work for those holding a pass vs those not holding a pass, seems the rest of us are iced out after all. I like the contests here, so I was perfectly happy to pass on the Season Pass because the contests would still be open to me. Now they say they aren't. Disappointed!
I stopped reading at this point. I am happy to see that I am not the fool because I did not get it... or am I? I come to think, that april fools is celebrated the full month in the US. It's only April 1st where I live.
Personally, I think Brooke looks pretty realistic (bump/normals could stand to be turned down a bit, but I generally expect to dislike or loathe the default skin shader settings), but she's realistic in ways most Daz users probably aren't interested in. She's average looking, but real world average looking not TV's idea of average looking, and also on the larger side. She doesn't have full shapely lips, strong high cheekbones, one of the typical upturned carefully proportioned pretty girl noses, small feminine chin, either of the two jawlines most female characters seem to be built from. While some people complain her body type is unnecessary because they can have a larger character anytime they want with the morph dials, that's equally true for athletic, busty, and/or slender women too. People buy the character packages because they often have better detailing or some variety in shaping to mix in - otherwise they'd just sell texture packs and maybe shaping presets for the base morphs (of which 8 cut out a lot of essential morphs I used in Gen2, especially for eyes).
That said, many if not most people prefer more conventionally attractive women for their artwork and so may have little use for her. Of course, others will adore her because they're tired of Daz's standard fare. Sort of like the divide between the people who are desperate for more male content, and the people who don't use male characters much if ever, the Season Pass characters were guaranteed to disappoint one side or the other on any of these issues, with the exception of collectors who want to catch them all (which is fine)..
Also a lot of Brooke's promo images are pretty unflattering, and I can't tell whether she's supposed to be 30 or 50. It's clear they coud've done better, since in some renders she's pretty (in an average looking way sure, still pleasing to look at), others not so much. She's also niche enough that I'm surprised she's the first season pass character. A bold choice, but risky since they seem to hope FOMO to motivate people who didn't buy Platinum to shell out for Gold. A Meilin or Monique 8.1 might have been a safer choice for a first Season Pass release. Or maybe a Zelara 8.1? (I don't think anyone expected a male character as the first one). Not that this affects me since I would never pay that much money for a two month season pass when there'll be sales later where you can get them for less than the season pass discount (and if there were no sales, the base figures just aren't special compared to PA products anyway, they just have a special endorsement and price bump). And of course with NFTs, I'm not spending money here until they go away.
We actually celebrate it all year, but it's not reported by reputable sources.
No it said that season pass holders would get be able to enter the contest early, not that it was a 'season pass only' contest.
It's in the very first post of this thread, and it says nothing about 'season pass only.'
I don't think the contest portion is going to plan, assuming there was an actual plan.
That last part never made much sense to me. If it's a contest judged according to the quality of the renders, what difference should it make whether the render was received first or last, as long as it's received by the deadline?
Anyway, it's fine with me that it's only open to SP pass holders, since QC residents can never enter this type of contest, and I'm saved the disappointment of not winning.
Oh I'm unconcerned too, I wasn't plannning on entering. I don't even really buy anything any more. I was more fascinated that the person who edited that very post on the 5th April claimed it said something different.
Well, while I probably wouldn't enter anyway, I am concerned that DAZ is changing the parameters from what was originally stated. That makes me less inclined to purchase in the future.
I think Daz should have given notice that it was even going to happen.
The sudden introduction left alot of people that may have wanted to get in on the platinum pass no time to accommodate it's cost into their budget.
I think they were counting on the impulse buyers - those of us that jump on what looks like a good deal bundle plus toys that first day. More time means you have time to think about it - and maybe talk yourself out of it.
In my case it was too big a chunk of change for too unknown a reward - and plenty of time to think, even on the platinum ...
They do that on a regular base already, with promo telling one thing, just to be changed to something when it doesn't work as one would it expect it from the wording. As the daily deal reset happens in the middle of the night US time it's maybe less obvious, but for us europeans who see the reset "live" in the early morning hours it is plain to see...
Why is it that those of us posting in this thread about the contest are more aware of the rules than the moderators are?
Another rant from a long time disgruntled customer...
For one thing, I really wish something like a Season Pass was for anything BUT core characters and purchasers could pick and CHOOSE future discounted BUNDLES after seeing them. Personally, I never actually use core characters for anything except maybe render tests in the forum and occasional slight increments of maybe 3 or 4 characters (from ALL the bundles I’ve purchased from ALL Genesis generations) dialed in minutely to other characters. I don’t even like their skins except maybe 2 or 3 characters throughout the years. But I do like most items that come in their bundles and used to buy all the pro bundles on release day with their special deals. Since they stopped doing the pro bundle special deals, I haven’t purchased any bundles on release day and don’t get all the orange banners I used to get which makes me buy even LESS. The new marketing strategy works in reverse for me and I used to be a big purchaser because of the great deals I would get. Now I only buy bundles many months after release day when they go back on an even better sale and don’t buy all the addons, because I don’t need to. I have a feeling that there are many others like me whose bundle (and core character) purchases have gone way down because of the way they started dividing the bundles, offering core characters TWICE, including old products in them and having such bad deals associated with them.
Now this new deal actually punishes previous bundle buyers who are only interested in well-priced bundles, not core characters. Daz is giving Season Pass holders more perks than originally described, more orange banners and I feel like I will forever be out of the orange banner club because of this. And I might have wanted to do the contests and I was one who often DID demo new characters in the forums, which I guess I will never do again, unless I get a great deal and orange banners for a BUNDLE, like I used to. I really feel excluded just because my main interest is not core characters and did not want to gamble on products sight unseen. Which makes the season pass even sleazier because only gamblers are interested and there’s no way to return a “free” character if you don’t like it. I’m even wondering about the legality of it. It really seems like they are encouraging gambling and the deal nullifies the 30 day return policy. Also excluding non-Season Pass holders from tutorials is even sleazier considering there is so little up to date documentation in the first place!
That said, today, I literally wishlisted EVERYTHING in the Rockn’roll new releases. If that had been some kind of bundle at a decent price I would have jumped at it. Why can’t a season pass benefit the PAs instead of Daz core characters being forced down our throats? If they said we could pick and choose what we wanted as part of our season pass, I might have gone for that. But this just seems sleazy, a slap in the face to long time regular buyers who are rarely getting orange banners now, so my purchasing has gone WAY down (except for the PC+ for a day items during March Madness and some Fast Grab items...)
At some point, maybe in a few months, or maybe in the fall PA sale, or maybe at Christmas, I will purchase everything in today’s rocknroll releases but it feels like I have less and less incentive to buy things when they are released. After being a customer here for soooo many years, I feel left out of the fun and orange banners because I have no interest in the sleazy new marketing scheme or Daz core characters.
If nothing else, couldn’t Daz do regular separate monthly contests with big store credit prizes involving new PA characters/products of our choosing? Or even prizes of our choosing from that specific PA? (I know PC+ offers monthly decent prizes but the themes are very specific and don’t always fit everyone’s interest.) Offer orange banners with $20 store credit for purchasing new PA products? Maybe even have a subscription deal for discounts on specific PAs of our choosing like get an extra 25% off your choice of 5 upcoming products of your favorite PA (but the PA still gets full payment!)
Making long time customers feel left out of perks because the new marketing scheme doesn’t fit for them just makes a sleazy deal seem even sleazier, encourages gambling and nulls the 30 day return policy. And Daz created tutorials should be available to EVERYONE for FREE!
Must be new folks
Those who have been here a while, know there is always another sale.
I might impulse buy (very occasionally) £5 or 10, but more? Nope.
The only time I do anything like impulse buy a lot, is a gift card. If it is 20% no buy-ins, and im low on credit then yes. Over 20% it varies depending on how much.
Despite getting considerably more than 20% a few weeks ago, I'm sorry I bothered. I really don't like what is happening.
...I wouldn't have bothered entering even if it were allowed. I feel my best days were with 3DL as Iray just adds so many more parameters and complexities to keep current with, particularly as it seems to change with each new Daz programme update (still on 4.12 here as it's been extremely stable). What I saw in the Women's Month and February PC challenges was incredible and far beyond what I could produce. The last challenge series i enjoyed were the old RRRR ones as it was based more on ingenuity with what the randomiser dealt you, than with how flashy the image looked.
Well... I mean, there are (at present) 14 "entries" with the "Seasonpass" category tag (including my own minimalist meme effort):
https://www.daz3d.com/gallery/category/seasonpass
(And the deadline is 4/20, people. I guess there's a weed joke in there...)
I wonder what the numbers are on the pass if there are only 14 entries.
Do I care about the gatekeeping? No. I want more information ahead of time, but I don't disagree with the idea of a pass in itself... or the way it is handled (the elitism of the tag, the limited contests, etc.). The most frustrating part is the lack of information.
Did the contest exclude postwork? There’s always that. You can get very “flashy” with postwork!
It does seem unfair that they initially said everyone could participate in the contest then rescinded that. So much about the season pass is just WRONG!
So you think DAZ-Studio is a game for us (xbox, PS or pc- I don't care)? No, it is not. People don't have that much money and select what they want to buy - and they certainly don't want to buy something unknown they don't want. If you by a game -season pass: you like the game, you want to play it and are eager for fother developments that will fall into the same range the game sets. That is a huge difference - you know what you will get! You don't buy something completely unknown or buy. This setup here is similar to pay-to-win games: Easier head start in contests, contests tied to the pass - blocking other artists with less big wallets (which is pay to win without knowing your chances to win). You tend to forget that people are not Krösus. I cannot lavishly buy everything random and I am not alone. And I don't want any contests tied to buying something.
So far I heard nothing about fixing your webpage or the so called gallery, which is dead to me and many of my fellow artsits who cannot upload anything (have not heard anything since weeks!). You also made a fool out of yourselves with that womens day contest whos winners might win any random portrait contest or fantasy contest but not a womens day contest. I saw a lot of images that had a message and where not random render - they wanted to show something, tell something - something far from "women = have to be beautiful". Looks like you don't notice what's going on in the real world or keep on ignoring it. With Brook 8.1 as "Hunger games girl" you shot another idioticy price. She does not fit at all to hunger games, and again she looks like a plastic (surgery) puppet, where her age is not reflected in her skin at all. Yes, women have wrinkles on her foreheads, around the eyes and mouth. You say you offer "real world characters, clothes or props" - no you don't. (very rarely there are some brave creators).
I don't know who decides all this but you go in so many wrong directions. Reconsider your pathway, a hell lot of people are really angry. We don't need a seson pass, closed contests, blocked galleries... or contests that don't take the topics seriously. - Oh, nearly forgot- no one needs nft. Most artists get nothing for their render, if they are lucky they get comments, porn gets often followers or people paying, but most artists doing normal stuff get what? Nothing! So nft is nothing but a joke for us normal artists and we are the majority.
...save for applying filters, I'm terrible at postwork because of my unsteady hands (cannot do much digital painting).
Unfortunately this is daz's sandbox and it seems that they can make/break and change the rules as they please. And they still haven't changed the initial post to reflect their rule change, so does that mean non season pass members can enter to contest or is this a 'do as we say not as we wrote' kind of thing?
The rules posted on the sales page are the ones to refer to.. and in response to your other question "Only submissions by Season Pass holders qualify for prizes".. so you're welcome to enter, you just can't win a prize
Can non-Pass holders actually win the contest (sans-prizes of course), or would their artwork just appear in the contest?
Are you saying that we should take posts by people with Daz tags with a grain of salt?
I don't like the Pass because it is a bit like lootboxes / gambling. It taps into your primitive (as in deeply rooted) behaviour to get the kick out of something like a surprise. I toyed with the idea of buying one even! Then reason kicked in, and since I don't know the line up, I was thinking that it would be extremely unlikely to get 5 out of 5 things you really really, really want. Unless it is part of a collection, like "get all sets from ROG" , "All characters from Mousso" and so forth... if I was collecting all ROG or Mousso items, it might be interesting to me.
Are you sure that's correct? I'm looking at the rules.
Nothing in the rules seems to suggest non-Pass holders can win or place in the contest, and simply not receive prizes for winning. The rules seem to suggest only Season Pass entries are valid submissions. Non pass work might be eligble to appear on the contest page, but if we can't win or place, wi're not really in the contest. While 1.3 doesn't exclude the possibility of placing without getting a prize, 2.1 and 2.4.3 seem to.