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Agree.
Not sure who all those buyers are, but it sure seems like those who do visit the forums are decidedly against it, many who have purchased it are not even happy and regret their purchase. True, if you check Yelp or Amazon reviews, people spend more time in general with bad reviews rather than positive ones, but there’s a reason for all the bad reviews...
Ouch. Everything but your firstborn.
Given that Daz has stated time and again that the forums users are actually a small fraction of the total customers, that's actually not a good indicator at all.
The thing is, that some people do think that Daz did not meet the hoals set with the season pass, while others say they did. There is no way to proof that. You either believe or you don't.
I am not at all against the idea of a season pass. Also, not knowing everything upfront is not as such negative. But there are things I would have done differently.
It would have been perfectly acceptable and sensible if the contest had been SP exclusive from the beginning, but the rules directly stated it wasn't, and dramatically changing the rules on winning and placement in the contest after the fact while pretending it's no big deal and insisting non-SP holders can still enter when every rule says otherwise leaves a bad taste. I don't think anyone cares PC+ contests are PC+ exclusive, but then they've never pretended to be anything else nor then tried to gaslight people about it. I didn't care about the drama around the contest until the gaslighting, because I just really hate gaslighting.
But then, what sense makes a forum flair? If the majority of users do not frequent the forum, then the flair is just for the bin for that majority of users.
Because that's entirely the point...it's essentially now a 'cool club' of people who literally pay to win. You can be the most talented 3D artist on the face of the planet and if you don't have the extra $$$ to shell out on the season pass then too bad, so sad. Conversely, you could have the worst 3D artist on the face of the planet with all the $$$ to burn get propped up by the sheer awesomeness of paying to win. Not to mention the fact, that that wasn't how it was presented when the Season Pass was originally offered for sale. I thought I'd be okay not purchasing and would just lose out on the 'kewl' forum flair but could still enter contests if I so chose. Guess not.
'Pay to Win'. Try that phrase out in any MMO group and watch all hell break loose.
For season pass holders who don't use the forum, how do they determine whether those subscribers are happy with their purchase? It seems all they'd know is whether that user purchased a pass, and whether they disliked it enough to pointlessly file a ticket just to complain - it's nonreturnable. Are they just assuming every buyer who doesn't complain in the forum is satisfied? If forum users are a minority, that seems unwise.
I would love to know who all these mystery buyers are. Professional studios would definitely want to see what they are buying before purchase as would porn producers. I just cant imagine who they’d be, since it seems like all the “addicts” are here in the forums. And if they are not in the forums, why is “forum flair” a selling point? If these people prefer to be invisible, why is Daz offering to market them in perpetuity as a prize? This marketing seems as convoluted as the Brooke famous for being famous socialite/business woman/newscaster/action hero concept was...
@wmiller:
...I agree with the majority of your post. Back on page one I stated my reasons for not being interested in the pass
That said:
I have grown bored of all the "beautiful people" figures and characters being released, and actually found Brooke to be somewhat refreshing (had she not been 8.1 I might have purchased her). True, I'm in a minority of those who actually prefer figures and characters who tend to look more like actual people you'd see everyday instead of more runway models/pinup girls and hunks. To this end I usually purchase a fair amount of morph, shaping, and other merchant resources along with resorting to a lot of "dial spinning" to create more "unique" characters (the "road map" of morphs and shapes used for a couple of the main characters in one of my stories would make the Shader Mixer look intuitive).
The only reasons I have Vicky5, 7 and 8 is because I got the latter two free on a loyalty banner and the former as part of a bundle (along with Mike5) for purchasing Carrara 8.5. I did purchase Vicky4 as at the time, she was the only Gen4 female character, but later supplanted her with Steph4 who was more petite with a stature and proportions closer to that of an average RL woman. As I've mentioned my disappointment has been that until G8, there have been very few "interesting" or "everyday" characters available and mostly rehashes of the same old core figures.
Of course, I also have the same views on clothing content. Too much "sexy" stuff . Unfortunately my skill at modelling is rather limited, well below what is needed to create clothing.
It's not like it costs Daz anything, and it's still a nice badge for forums users who might want one.
I doubt anyone would purchase the pass just for the forum flair anyway ;)
I understand. It's a problem, but it's exhausting to spend energy tilting at windmills. Even if I could enter, the surrender of rights on entry would keep me from doing that.
....this is part of why I closed my gallery (also still wasn't totally convinced that something wouldn't end up as an NFT in spite of all the reassurances to the contrary).
Long ago community members who's works were accepted into the galleries received a store credit voucher (25$ or 30$ worth, I don't quite remember). In a sense, it was like an art challenge, as you had to put your best work forward to have it accepted and posted for the month. Images back then could also be used for promotional purposes but at least you received a little something in return.
I'm sure it's safe to assume many if not most Daz users don't spend lots of time in the forums, but I do wonder why we should assume their views on the SP or any other issue they're silent about are wildly different than Daz forum users. And of course, no one can refute data they don't have access to. If Daz says they met their sales goals, only people who know what their sales goals and actual sales are can know whether this is true and whether this success is actually meaningful (meeting low sales goals is easier than high goals). Though whether non-forumite purchasers are happy seems difficult to measure on products that can't be returned.
I'll add here that if you cancel your recurring PC membership, you immediately get an email begging you to return... but you don't get a questionnaire asking why you stopped it in the first place. I would suggest there isn't a great deal of interest in gathering any measure of actual satisfaction.
Daz is already entitled to use images posted to the gallery in promotions. This contest doesn't change that.
If you don’t want your art used in Daz promotions, put a big visible watermark with your name on it in the middle of it. I don’t think I’ve ever seen them use images with watermarks.
Well... 16 images with "seasonpass" tag for the SP contest, which closes on 4/20 (duuuude) at 11:59pm.
https://www.daz3d.com/gallery/category/seasonpass
Some of those "seasonpass" images are not assigned to the contest (as they are multiple images by the same user).
Is this winning? Dunno. I made my meme-y entry (OMG post-work), anyway.
@Sevrin & @Wonderland : I've never put anything in a Daz gallery, and I've no plan to do that. Yes, I agree about watermarks.
Yes, I've seen time and time again complaints on the forums which are at total odds of the sales numbers. I've even seen praise and applaud from the forums on things and initiates which didn't sell half as well as expected.
My point is, the forums are just one piece of the puzzle. The sales metrics are another.
You are right Jack, the forums are only one piece of the puzzle, but when you don't show the rest of the puzzle it is kind of hard to see if you have a Picaso or a paint by numbers hanging on your wall, and as the internet loves to say... no pictures no proof.
Sales metrics seem to be the main gauge of satisfaction - since it seems like that's the only metric they're using to prove everyone outside the forum loves what Daz is doing. Almost beginning to wonder if it's the only metric for analyzing satisfaction, but I probably shouldn't guess at internal analytic processes or conclusions from spin in the forums.
I liked your image. It was very amusing, and looked good too.
Oh let me get a pic.. obviously I can't link directly to the quarterly report.. but here's a summary..
Thanks for the background. I did not know that.
These are weird times, so I wouldn't make any judgments about Daz's execution over the past year based on sales alone. All kinds of businesses that cater to solitary home-based activities are thriving because of the pandemic, just as well-run businesses in the hospitality and public entertainment industry are going under. This will likely continue to be the case for another year. In the meantime, the sales metrics for NFTs are available for all to see.
Good job, I see you have been taking lessons from Richard. I do find it funny that you 'claim' that there are other metrics in play here but the only one visible to this forum is overwhemingly negative. You wouldn't have to link the whole quarterly report, to show the number of season pass memberships you have sold. Besides, how could the season pass sales already be a part of the published quarterly report when the quarter isn't over and this just went live.
It's fine to say that sales have been going good or this or that, that information is really good to know because I agree that the forums are a small chunk of the user base, but I see this photo as kind of a slap in the face as a customer and I'll be remembering this the next time I want to make an impulse buy, try to support something Daz is trying out, or picking up something newly released that's neat to have just in case I'll need it down the road, instead I'm only going to be picking up things that I need specifically for that moment for the project I'm doing if this is all some sort of joke.
Also, I emailed Friday the guy who responded to my ticket about how underwhelmed I was at this pass asking for my flair to be taken off my avatar and it has yet to be done.
It's a shame - I was just trying to lighten the mood - especially since people tell me I'm no fun and I'm too serious on here these days.
To your point, you're exactly right, the SP will be in the Q2 report, but again, I hope you understand why I can't obviously post the sales figures.. much like I can't say about the growth of the PC, top sellers etc.