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Why would Daz make the things if they knew people wouldn't want them? (I assume that I here is meant to be inclusive, they certainly wouldn't make the season pass for you as an individual.)
+1 Most girls aren't interested in the graphic visuals. It's about the emotion.
Yesterday there was an orange banner for a reduced price on the season pass. My recollection is that it was valid through today but it is no longer in my messages. Unfortunately I didn't make a screenshot of the offer.
Does anybody know for sure how long it was valid or better yet have a screenshot of the offer?
The best way I've seen it summarized is "Men render what they want to see, women render what they want to be". Either way, the result is making art of beautiful women. Obviously, this isn't true for everyone, but seems to be a good generalization and rang true for me, at least.
The dirty little secret of the internet is this: pr0n money was a major driver for the demand for broadband access, e-commerce, streaming as well as VHS and 3D graphics.
Looking at the renders people are posting I already had a suspicion about this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTJvdGcb7Fs
Can't agree fully to that. I've got a major problem with modern crime and fantasy novels done by females, because they very often have looooong descriptions of very romantic intercourse between the heroesse and one or more male or female partners, detailed to which course the different drops or sweat take.
Male writers of crime or fantasy stories usually give rather short descriptions instead, more in the "and then they had intercourse. Later they did out and (did what crime and fantasy heroes do except having intercourse)" style. Which prefer, unless it's a graphic novel, which is where DAZ comes into it...
So it's not only the "emotions" for the girls, but also quite detailed but mostly romantic actions, unlike the stuff they encounter in the real like... so perfectly described as "Wham, bam, thank you, ma'am..."
Also had in mind that this offer was good until 29th but it is gone. Got a discount banner for owning Vicky 8.1 bundle though. With that I got todays bundle for around $42 which was fine with me given that I liked all its content. Did not get yesterdays bundle nor Brooke as the offers were not that good IMO. Don't know whether I would be so much better of with the pass. If it's pick what you like I pick what I like.
I've got a problem with my brain, which makes it a little different to pin-point emotions. So I go for the graphic visuals instead
Definitely, in my case. I'd love to be my OC. She's awesome. Plus, who wouldn't want to copulate hang out with their favourite character, from their favourite franchise?
For a while, I had this little RULE for content purchases, especially clothing content...
If a product had any of these things, then I would NOT buy it:
- Stilletto heels — especially on Armor or Sci-Fi suits intended for combat
- Excessive Bows and Bow Ties placed on female clothing
- Inexplicable Navel cut-outs — especially in armor (why is this even a thing?)
- Unrealistically long v-necks that extend below the bust line, or that expose the navel
- Female Police or Military clothing with too much neck, chest, and/or navel exposed that are unsuitable for combat
- Armor, Robots, or Sci-Fi Suits that don't articulate like metal, that bend and stretch unrealistically with morphs
- Impractical Metal Bikini Tops or Bottoms
- Impossibly large pauldrons on shoulders of armor for males and female characters
Unfortunately, this rule eliminated nearly all content available for sale on daz3d.com — especially Daz Originals.
Is there is some kind of DAZ 3D content requirement for vendors, where they must have one or more of the items above, or it will not be considered for purchase as a Daz Original?
I can't be the only one that's been struggling with this conflict for a while... even if I don't buy the items above, Daz still makes them — and most of the time, I really have no other choice.
It's super difficult to find realistic and practical clothing for 3D characters.
To be clear, I have no problem with an audience that wants to create characters or content with sex appeal... I just wish we had more practical and realistic options.
All of this...especially that bit about metal that bends and stretches with the slightest movement.
What I've started to do is buy stuff for parts...rarely can I use a whole set in its entirety, so I kitbash to get something that will work. Unfortunately that also means that I'm buying the stuff that would end up blackballed due to your list, which does nothing to reinforce the idea of getting my point across with my wallet, lol.
I can't speak for 'women' in general, but being one, watching people doin' the doin' on camera / in pics just reminds me of how excessively hilarious all of it looks really, and so is rather a turn-down for me (or a laugh-up, but certainly not very romance-inspiring). Same goes for people's privates being on display, none of them thingies is so very appealing to me as, apparently, to lots of others. I still thought it was kind of refreshing to read about some of you guys just liking the stuff, though, and I do believe sex positivity is generally a good thing if coupled with informed consent. So, fine by me. BUT (yeah sorry, but there's always a but, isn't there ...) -
- I just wish the sexy clothing would not take up so very much space in the store, or the PA's would just make more variety possible. Like, give me more morphs to move down a hemline a bit, or close up a cleavage a little, etc pp. Some do, but many just don't, and since I mostly need old-fashioned and therefore generally more modest clothing for my renders, I'm often left with not much to buy if I don't want to go into major alterations. That's plain annoying to me. But that's just my personal dilemma.
- Also - and I'm really sorry if this goes too much of topic, and it'll also spoil the mood and all - I'll try to make it quick - I'm a bit sickened by seeing virtually every woman on promo pics here (and elsewhere in 3D land) being depicted with huge to enormous boobs plus, most times, a major cleavage to show them off. Yeah I get it, the female AND the male characters are mostly idealized versions of what the public thinks is attractive at the moment, and that's boring but quite alright, but - seriously, many of these women would have major health issues in real life. I wish we would just stop portraying such huge breasts as something to aspire to. There are women out there literally dying from having their boobs blown up like this. No, not kidding. (And even the non-artifical ones can hurt like hell on certain days, lemme just tell you that buddy ...) Could we not take sober facts like this into consideration just a teeny tiny little bit when having fun? - Okay, rant over, safe to read again ...
Unfortunately, big chests are like big feet. Big feet are also a problem, and not all they are cracked up to be. But not that many people want to look at small feet. At least, with small chests, their gravity-defying nature makes them desirable for a portion of the population.
+1
The "VHS" one always sounds a little off, even though it's an often repeated thing that "the naughty movies industry pick the format" it doesn't really make much logical sense. Firstly because HD DVD was prefered by that industry and lost to Blu Ray, secondly, the movie industry is many times larger (not sure JVC had links to the adult industry either), and thirdly it wasn't much of a contest to start with.
It's more likely that it being considerably bigger in storage space (so you could fit in a whole full length movie rather than use 2 betamax tapes), that allowed home recording while being cheaper were bigger factors. It's always the cheaper/larger format that wins "format wars". Every single time!
This was just covered, and it's been covered a lot. It does sell better and it's quicker and easier to make, so more time to make more stuff that will sell better. You are not the only one but it's not the majority, and I imagine the number would be even lower if a PA making something like that charged the equivalent amount for the time it took to make compared to the easier, skimpy stuff. I just checked again the Western Armor released today after getting some sleep and now I noticed it still has some metal bending where it shouldn't (ankles, neck...), but honestly... yeah, I think it's still pretty good for the price and about as good as it gets. And it's unfair to blame the PAs when anyone here would get angry if the roles were reversed and people basically expected you to make less money for a living to get what they want.
I think that topic would be very interesting, but sadly, probably impossible to know for real just how much money comes from people making pron, even for Daz considering it's most likely people don't use same email or nicknames for their pron work, at least I know I don't. Also unlikely many will admit to make the stuff or even if they hang out around these forums in the first place. Like it was discussed, I think one reason it is associated with pron so much is because the pron work is easily recognizable as Daz work, while other kind of stuff like book covers probably get a lot more postwork done including painting over them.
...+2
...and trying to simply reduce the size is does not always end up with the best results. Even with utilities like Zev0's Breast Control, Natural Petite Morphs, and other morph tools it isn't easy and deformities can show up in clothing fits. Speaking of clothing, so much female clothing, even everyday styles often end up with textures distorting badly if you try to fit them on a character with a reduced bust size. For example I rarely ever bother with striped textures on upper body clothing for many of my characters.
True if comparing string bikini to a three layer winter outfit, but when the winter outfit is the clothing that's made anyways, why limit the options to one with open jacket and shirt open down to the navel?
So true... Even if you find a working combination of morphs for making the bust smaller, quite often the clothing does not follow the form, especially underneath the bust
....this has been an issue since the Gen4 days.
The Dawn figures include a Bodysuit morph that bridges the creases between and under the breasts and between the buttocks. Genesis 8 should include this, as well as all new iconicbasecorecharacterfigures. This would solve/lessen many problems immediately.
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wow i am so jealous now+3
I spend most of my time in 18+ spaces that are majority female-leaning, and there is a ton of visual erotica being made and consumed by women.
There are a few reasons I think 3D specifically has not caught on:
To not stray too far from the topic of the thread, a few months ago I remember seeing someone from Daz mention here on the forums that male products had nearly caught up to female products in terms of popularity and they planned to offer more. I'm interested to see what their next male 8.1 release is because I think Torment is one of the better characters they've done. But even if tons of people focus on buying specific male characters and products, it's probably never going to be the same target audience as the season pass.
I'm pretty sure smoking, obesity related illness, cars, motorbikes, guns, overeating, drinking, dangerous wild animals, dogs (probably cats), tall buildings, roads, the natural world, knives, those weedwacker thingies, washing machines and everything else kills around a bazillion times more people than that.
It's unlikely they're going to remove the glamorized weapons, bars and balconies from the store promotions. But as they have exceptionally stronger safety issues, it's maybe a better place to start.
Thats true for any body morph though as clothing and textures are only really made with the base's body in mind.
Increase a bust size or even change the shape and you'll just as easily end up with deformations and texture issues (which are usually kind of worse due to the stretching making everything lower resolution), so in the same way you'll probably have to resort to the usual "make your own morphs" route. Textures are a bit more of an issue for all body morphs and would need a new UV or something similar (I think I saw a product once that had a different bust size UV, but that was maybe Genesis 3 and just that once).
Kind of what this thingy does https://www.daz3d.com/sy-clothing-morpher-for-genesis-8-female ?
But yes, i'm sure they could do something!
That thingy, which I own, makes a valiant attempt, but it barely approaches what a dedicated bodysuit morph could do for each Base and Core Figure. Well-made clothes could do a lot to help as well, but it appears the quality clothing ship has sailed around here, and even some stalwarts are starting to skimp.