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I see your point, but I wasn't so much referring to safety issues as to the portraying of something unhealthy and unnatural as desirable. Neither knives nor guns nor washing machines (washing machines?!) make young girls beg their mommies for plastic surgery I'm sure. - 'The natural world'? Whereever did you find this in the store??? Must have been a glitch
My $.02 complaint... Two out of five core figures released, both being G8.1F that I rarely buy, the bundles are horribly priced with season pass discounts not even enough to sway me (not to mention the "best" pricing only lasts a day), and by the time I do get a message that the new core figure is available I'm not able to even see it until until the next day when everyone sees it.
The contests do not give me time to put anything together AND render. A BUST there.
So far Genesis 8.1 releases have been a bust... The bundles are not intuitively done with horrible discounts (not to mention badly timed discounts that pop up when you buy one item of the bundle that STILL doesn't make up for the price of the item you have/bought). So far the only bundles I have bought were the Torment 8.1, and that's because it actually had items I'd wind up using. The rest are mishmashed messes that don't all relate to the core model in question.
I only did the season pass because with the PC+ price at the beginning, it would be less than the price of 5 core models plus their HD addons. BUT if the next three releases are not male characters, I will DEFINITELY not do another season pass.
Don't get me wrong, I kind of like the two recent releases (though I haven't had a chance to do anything with them), and the getting the season pass at the platinum level if you are PC+ is a decent buy if you are going to get the core models anyway... BUT so far it seems to be going too fast AND is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.
Sorry, vent done...
My point exactly, not enough time for me to assemble something AND render. I have a MAC that unfortunately is NOT seeing much support from DAZ (can't use Hexagon any more, can't try Filament, and can't update to Big Sur if I want even use DAZ, most plugins are Windows only (not necessarily DAZ's fault, but still). And I'm not canceling a current render just to make a render for a contest that probably won't have a chance at winning (I have my reasons for that comment, and is not directed at any users--contests tend to be unfair at times and true winning entries tend not to win).
And that doesn't last long at all.
This... I love this character...
With all due respect, most Daz Originals characters are female, and it's all going to be G8.1 from now on in Daz Originals characters, so buying the season pass to get more Daz Original characters is not the way I would have gone.
This was a one-day only deal. I had it in my cart with intentions of buying, got distracted and forgot to buy. Saw it my cart the next day and the discount was gone. Didn't feel like taking 3-4 days waiting on customer service, so didn't get it.
Sorry about all the many posts... Just going through the posts and seeing other things that got me miffed.
29 G8M pro bundles vs 49 G8F pro bundles, I understand that. That wasn't lost on me when I purchased, but generally there is a male counterpart (or was). I'm sort of surprised there wasn't a male counterpart to Brooke 8.1, that body type for males really hasn't been done--Tristan doesn't really count, I'm sorry. Jacqueline 8.1, I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't (if there is, it'll be another model type). Those without male counterparts kind of didn't make sense to have them and vice versa (female counterpart to Toon Dwayne? Don't say Girl, because, well, no...). Like I said, it's still less for the five base and their HD addons, just everything else is just eh...
You're wasting your time. I tried to bring up the topic of the wildly unrealistic boob size a few months back and bunch of people (probably mostly male) jumped on to tell me how wrong I was and provided studies to show that most women have triple D breasts. Which of course is laughable. They must have done those studies in LA where all the women have implants. Down here on planet earth where I live, I know 2 girls with DDD and they are both fat. All my girlfriends who are normally porportioned are C cup or smaller.
First, Victoria 8.1, Daz's flagship character, has breasts on the smaller size, so at least Daz is making an effort. Yes, most of the women here have big chests, but the same can be said for guys with abs. And for good reason. I'd bet my last dollar that George didn't sell as well as Michael 8. But where I live, I'm far more likely to run into George. I respect the fact that different people have different styles and some people want everyday characters (not to be confused with beautiful models that look like they are real. "Realism" can mean either). But if you look at the gallery, the majority render their ideals, or at the very least what they find visually appealing. Most men like breasts. Most women like fit men. Of course these styles and looks are going to be more popular, sell more assets, and vendors are going to want to make more of them. It's the logical thing to do.
There are a lot of overweight people in the RL world, so that skews the average breast size upward. What's not average is the pron babe type Barbie women with slender bodies and large boobs.
And the morning came... What looked good in the bar (Shop/promo pics) turned out something else when you loaded her up on your own computer... When you leave out the distractions - Hair, clothing, props, architecture, environment and lighting that are used explicitly to make the character look more appealing, you are often left with bodymorphs that are unrealistic and I'm not talking about the chest alone, head morph that either does the same as the body morph or does very little to change the base geometry and the last aspect, the skin... Even color, like hundreds of other like her... All you get is waste of space and increase in loading times.
At least there are characters like Mabel https://www.daz3d.com/mabel-8 that have something special to add to the gene pool
i absolutely love loads of the stuff here at daz in fact well over 2000 products in my first 12 months... but the chances of the season pass in its current form being anything like value for money for me are zero.
Reading between the lines (and sometimes the actual lines written) some people had a much much less chance of the season pass being a good fit for them but still they gambled?
Maybe peoples willingness to gamble is in itself a legitimate source of revenue for daz to explore?
Personally i think the idea of a season pass is a good one but it needs to be flexible enough to attract more of us non gambling types...after all we also have a disposable income that we would entrust to daz safe in the knowledge that it will represent good value in the end.
A flexible season pass could start whenever, be good for X amount of characters with the option to pass on any you don't have a use for.
As for gambling, that's what the NFTs were/are for.
There's very little premium value in "core characters" vs PA characters anymore. There are some awesome PAs making characters that rival and surpass the Daz branded ones. I would have bought a flexible season pass that gave me 5 characters of my choice with HD over 6 months, but the whole idea of the SP is to monetize good will.
The only advantage of "core characters" that I can think of is that some clothing supports them with custom FBMs for better fit and less distortion.
Core character materials transfer to Blender perfectly, you really can't tell the difference between Iray and Cycles. Non DO characters are very much hit or miss on them looking good after being transferred, at least that's been my experience. If you don't transfer to other programs, then yeah, there is no difference.
It's just anecdotal evidence but, as a male who prefers big natural breasts from a country with a heavy plastic surgery culture and considering how many I have met in my whole teenager/adult life, I can't help but agree that those arguing against big breast not being the norm are just delusional.
But that's the thing. For me and for a lot of people, I assume considering the average character out there, to see "real world" stuff we already got, well... the "real world". For my 3d stuff I rather make "idealized world" stuff. Which is fine, the problem starts when you can't accept that it is not the "real world". Now, I use "real world" loosely because as someone already pointed out, it's not that big breast sizes are unrealistic, it's that not many women have them. At least so far with the 8.1 core characters I think they have been keeping them pretty "standard" and like I always say, if you watch the "evolution" from Genesis 2 you can definitely see that they are keeping the designs more "grounded". So much that in fact I wouldn't mind at all if one of the season pass characters is some sort of "Lilith 8.1"
And yeah, for me the SP was not gambling, it's also a matter of support, which I know is something alien around here considering how most "speak" as if they hated Daz or something
Tanning is harmful, unhealthy, potentially dangerous, and can cause effects that kill a great deal of people (see, HDRIs of a sunny sky are natural world murder tools
) but is also depicted here as desireable. They also portray cybernetic limbs as desirable, but I'm guessing there's no little children begging mummy to hack their arms off. The whole "begging for" thing seems often repeated thing, but doesn't seem to be a something that common. If it really happens at all. The (exceptional, not common) cases of people having "unaturally massive" implants are generally due to other factors (often traumatic or dysmorphic) rather than people just seeing depictions in media one day and thinking "ooh I could soo do that".
How many young teenagers are there here though? I'm going to guess not really any.
We should always, always be careful in pointing the "unnatural" and "unrealistic" stick around at anyone over or under a certain size or proportion. I notice this all the time how here taller characters are constantly labeled as "unnatural" and made out to be some bizarre fantastical "unrealistic" freak of nature. Though every single one is shorter than me, and I know several women taller than me. People are all different, and difference is great. Unless it's when you buy a pack of fruit and one is furry. The message people should be telling younger people is probably "average isn't the only thing" rather than stopping them seeing different body types ("realistic" or not) or casting negitivety towards certain traits. Also the fruit thing is a good lesson. Add fruit to the list.
This is another often complained about thing, that I really don't see. I mean, which of the DAZ non stylized 3 or 8 characters really has "unrealistically massive breasts"? The biggest bust size is probably Latonya, and she's not exactly slender. To use the personal anecdotes thing, I live with a woman who's bustier (perhaps 2, neither are exactly "fat" or have "implants"). I hope she's real or I've been talking to air most mornings.
It's the same issue with the "onslaught of scandalous sexy clothes". Unless there's some naughty secret products, everything seems, perhaps not something you'd want to cavort around in polite company in, but not exactly remotely shocking. To use a phrase "down on planet earth" the DAZ store is actually rather extremely tame. Unless we're talking about uncovered shoulders. Those should be banned obviously. So I'm not really seeing the issue there either.
"Average" and "realistic" don't mean the same thing and can be mutually exclusive. I'm above average height (woo, second mention in the same post), it doesn't make me unrealistic, alternatively, someone of average height being the worlds greatest basketball player is perhaps a bit unrealistic. A woman with a 26 inchy thingies waist and "J Cup" (natural) breasts (this is actually a "real world example"), isn't average, but it can't really be "unrealistic" because it's right here on planet earth (unless she's actually a really good robot). So perhaps "realistic" isn't the word to use? I mean there isn't really a law anywhere that everything has to be realistic is there? Is there?
You mean like when someone already pointed out that "normally proportioned are C cup or smaller..."? *grumbles* Yeah, I sat on my hands with that one.
As to one example I can think of that seems like an odd combination (to me) is Ophelia 7. I think she's a great character...she's beautiful and I love her muscled toning. But her boobs feel quite large for someone who is so ripped. Could that happen in real life? I guess? But breasts are composed almost entirely of fat, so when someone has little body fat, generally the boobies would go with it. I'd imagine that's probably a reason why you see a lot of implants with female body builders. That being said, whenever I use Ophelia 7, the girls get reduced by about 80%.
And to add a personal note, big boobs are not fun. My husband thinks they're fun. But they're not fun. I hate them. That's why all of my characters are on the smaller side upstairs. (Small boobs are also easier to fit into 3D clothing...and real world clothing, haha.)(A lot of Daz clothing looks utterly ridiculous fit over big boobs.)
Well, that's the magic of 3d stuff, it's not real so you don't have to worry about your character's back pains or discomforts xD
Also, yeah, I absolutely love Ophelia 7 and Rune 7 with their HD morphs. I think CJ 8 is a pretty good "succesor" to Ophelia but I haven't tried comparing them side by side yet. And Freja 8 is probably much closer to what you are talking about, big muscles and small breasts.
...I remember the old Gen3 figures had what was titled a "spandex" body setting that smoothed out the body details.
Not sure about Ophelia. Generally the body builder types go for basically zero percent snuggle sheets to show off their bed springs. On the other hand, though toned, she still looks perfectly snuggleable. So I can see there being some pillows still (I didn't want to use "pillows" but the metaphor basically forced me
). Rune 7 has the same bust measurement with a smaller "muscled" frame, so I assume she'd be higher on the list. Though Rune 7 looks a bit "odd" in general (like she has those painted on muscles you mentioned). Lilith 7 is basically the same proportions as Rune, but more curvaceous and less muscled, but not reeeally remotely "unnatural" (though she's not exactly a human, so is a bit of a questionable entrant). But even she probably isn't in the "unrealistically massive mammaries" or "back breaking" category.
I remember this woman when I was doing something to do with clothes something (I am great with specifics) who was always complaining about people who thought that "over D is exclusively for naughty movie stars" (she used a different term) and the weird stigmas around it. Then how that was probably partially why women often wore the completely wrong bra size. Hopefully your hands are "normally proportioned". I know mine aren't. I'm like an Aye-aye. With weird curved fingers (why is there no finger curvy morphs, (OR long nail morphs that don't have the thumb nail?)
). 
Yeah, though Freja causes some horrific deformations with pretty much any clothing put on her. I bought her for her skin only.
it's true though...most women wear a bra that is entirely too small for them and they don't even realize it. I've had to do much research myself to find a proper fit.
Fair enough, I didn't notice because I rarely like how clothes look by default without using dForce or MD simulation to fit them better.
I would say I hope next character is either a Lilith 8.1, Anneka 8.1 or another ripped lady, but I'd bet next one is going to be male (and probably the only one in the season pass xD). Not sure what to hope for in that case so I'm just going to keep a "surprise me" attitude about it.
dForce can only help so much. I've seen promos with Freja and a blacksmith outfit that was released specifically with her, and her chest deforms the metal pieces (keys I think) so bad it's downright shameful. I don't know if it's the fault of Freja or the PA that made the outfit...either way not good.
Well, it doesn't work 100% with every outfit, but there are tricks to deal with that. Some things off the top of my head, show hidden parameters in the outift and remove Freja8's morphs, use adjusting morphs to expand it to a size bigger than the character before dforcing, if the outfit lacks those adjust morphs then export the outfit as OBJ and then reimport it back as a morph with a bigger scale, and lastly, paint dforce weight maps ignoring any metallic parts, use contract/expand parameters accordingly if needed for each material zone.
PD: I believe some of these things would work for adjusting clothes to flat chests too
Had a quick look and no obvious existing thread other than this to post this on, so ..
Took the link from the banner to head over to YouTube to sort out lining up the Webinar as it will be starting soon-ish and ... I can't. Ok, partly (ok, mainly) this is down to me. With the login I use to gain access to YouTube (a gmail account) I have no access to the Webinar by the look of it. It looks that I need to login using my email I used to register here at DAZ (which is very mcuch non gmail!) and I am totally, completely unwilling to let google/yiooutube/whomever to get even a sniff of what that is, so please someone give whoever is doing the webinar a virtual wave from me.
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And speaking of which - the banner has just this moment gone ..?
Well, the chat in the webinar says:
So whatever the email says, as long as you have the link, you can view the webinar. (I don't think there is that kind of gatekeeping on youtube?)
I would post the link, but I think that might get modded.
EDIT:
Okay, I am in the webinar using my gmail, which is not associated with Daz.
I see some familiar names in there already!
So, no problem loading the webinar with whatever you use for gmail (as separate from Daz).
(I do not believe that the seminar is necessarily exclusive to Season Pass holders, from a technical standpoint.)
Webinar over. That was a useful event, even if you're familiar with 3 point lighting as a concept.