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  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,624
    edited October 2017

    Loving these renders... the colors....

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  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,624
    edited October 2017
    UB - "I haven't attemped any ultra-realism yet, and see very little of it on this forum these days."

    I don't blame them, use Carrara for what it was designed for and grab Studio and use that for ultra-realism now it includes Iray and 3Delight is no lightweight either, well maybe DS implimentation of it is a bit lacking, even still it's free!

    Did you ever use Octane in Carrara?  Doesn't that basically change Carrara into an unbiased renderer?

    UB - "I saw a couple of your human figures.  Were these done in Carrara as well?"


    No they were done in Iray, maybe Carrara could compete with Iray but it would take some serious' serious time and effort and I believe the end results would be inferior no matter how good the artist is, that goes for Poser and several others I could mention.

    Again, are you judging Carrara as inferior, even with Octane? (not arguing, just asking an honest question from ignorance)

    Use the tools available for the job you wish to do and accept any limitations with grace, time and money will always be the limiting factor in life generally let alone Carrara, DS, Vue etc. etc...

    That's my thoughts, reality may differ ; ' )

    Chris

    Good thoughts!

     

    The main problems are, I'm only one person with limited brain capacity, money and time to play with all these lovely toys..

    What a wonderful quote! 

    You mentioned "painterly" before... I'm incredibly happy with that - with Carrara's native ray tracer. Luckily for me, I'm really the only person I have to please! ;)

    "You mentioned "painterly" before... I'm incredibly happy with that - with Carrara's native ray tracer."
    So you should be : ' )

    Funny. I started tinkering with Carrara 8 Pro beta back in 2010 - but it feels so long ago, even though 2010 isn't that distant of a past.

    I was so blind then. I just wanted a Poser that allowed me to model within the same interface - and that's what I bought it for. "Pro" included the Ocean primitive, which has animated waves built right into it - so that was the big selling point for that. Like I said... Blind!

    It took a long time before I started venturing out of the Poser way of making small fake scenes with things like the Millennium Environment and just using what I want - Carrara lets us do that, after all. 

    Anyway, back in 2012 I wanted to start figuring out how to stitch my animations together in something other than Windows Movie Maker. I was happy with Movie Maker until I built my Carrara workhorse upon the then new Windows 7 64 bit, which only had Movie Maker Live, which was brand new then and I didn't like it at all.

    Jonny Bravo just did (then) a video for GoFigure's aniBlock importer for Carrara, along with a series of other shorts he did as experiments. I loved them, so I asked him what he used, so I ended up buying Sony's Vegas Movie Studio Platinum - a cheaper home version of Vegas, Platinum also including Sound Forge Studio and DVD Architect (again, home versions) and really like it. 

    To try Vegas out during the 30 day trial, I only had a pile of test renders that (according to plan) should have been deleted by then, so I used those to see how I got along with the software. I liked it enough then to post it to YouTube. Although I've come a long way since then, I still like the short film to this day. The heroes are myself and my wife - our superhero versions! LOL 

    As of my copying this link, it has recieved 5,555 views! :)   I was still using skydomes (still haven't even tried Carrara's Realistic Sky much, if at all) except for the space scenes, which used what eventually became my first Daz3d product: Starry Sky for Carrara - 3D low-poly stars replicated onto four invisible globes - some using placement maps, others just randomized using the surface replicator controls. Anyway, since the making of this crazy thing I've learned SO MUCH MORE about lighting, animation, rendering, and just plain using Carrara and many of its other amazing features.

    When I uploaded it, I fogot that the title of the movie was "Just For Fun" and instead called it: "Just a Bit of Fun"! LOL

    Enjoy

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  • cdordonicdordoni Posts: 583
    edited October 2017

    Loving these renders... the colors....

    Yes, this one reminds me of Maxfield Parrish, in color and subject. The rays are a nice effect and it would be interesting to see the edges a bit softer for comparison, don't know how easy that is to accomplish without affecting anything else.

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  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,624
    edited October 2017
    cdordoni said:

    Loving these renders... the colors....

    Yes, this one reminds me of Maxfield Parrish, in color and subject. The rays are a nice effect and it would be interesting to see the edges a bit softer for comparison, don't know how easy that is to accomplish without affecting anything else.

    For softer volumetric lighting shadow cutting edges (edges of the rays), I spend a lot of extra time setting up the strength of the light cone with its fall-off setting. Strength can be controlled by the brightness setting of the actual light as well as the intensity setting of the light cone, but the fall-off setting of the actual light settings don't seem to affect the edges of the volumetric effect of the light cone - so that must be done within the light cone effect's settings. 

    It can help to just do a bunch of simple tests, only making adjustments to one thing at a time, to get acquainted with how touchy some things can be. And I almost always have to tweak light cones entirely separately from one scene to the next. 

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  • UB - "I haven't attemped any ultra-realism yet, and see very little of it on this forum these days."

    I don't blame them, use Carrara for what it was designed for and grab Studio and use that for ultra-realism now it includes Iray and 3Delight is no lightweight either, well maybe DS implimentation of it is a bit lacking, even still it's free!

    Did you ever use Octane in Carrara?  Doesn't that basically change Carrara into an unbiased renderer?

    UB - "I saw a couple of your human figures.  Were these done in Carrara as well?"


    No they were done in Iray, maybe Carrara could compete with Iray but it would take some serious' serious time and effort and I believe the end results would be inferior no matter how good the artist is, that goes for Poser and several others I could mention.

    Again, are you judging Carrara as inferior, even with Octane? (not arguing, just asking an honest question from ignorance)

    Use the tools available for the job you wish to do and accept any limitations with grace, time and money will always be the limiting factor in life generally let alone Carrara, DS, Vue etc. etc...

    That's my thoughts, reality may differ ; ' )

    Chris

    Good thoughts!

     

    The main problems are, I'm only one person with limited brain capacity, money and time to play with all these lovely toys..

    What a wonderful quote! 

    You mentioned "painterly" before... I'm incredibly happy with that - with Carrara's native ray tracer. Luckily for me, I'm really the only person I have to please! ;)

    "You mentioned "painterly" before... I'm incredibly happy with that - with Carrara's native ray tracer."
    So you should be : ' )

    Funny. I started tinkering with Carrara 8 Pro beta back in 2010 - but it feels so long ago, even though 2010 isn't that distant of a past.

    I was so blind then. I just wanted a Poser that allowed me to model within the same interface - and that's what I bought it for. "Pro" included the Ocean primitive, which has animated waves built right into it - so that was the big selling point for that. Like I said... Blind!

    It took a long time before I started venturing out of the Poser way of making small fake scenes with things like the Millennium Environment and just using what I want - Carrara lets us do that, after all. 

    Anyway, back in 2012 I wanted to start figuring out how to stitch my animations together in something other than Windows Movie Maker. I was happy with Movie Maker until I built my Carrara workhorse upon the then new Windows 7 64 bit, which only had Movie Maker Live, which was brand new then and I didn't like it at all.

    Jonny Bravo just did (then) a video for GoFigure's aniBlock importer for Carrara, along with a series of other shorts he did as experiments. I loved them, so I asked him what he used, so I ended up buying Sony's Vegas Movie Studio Platinum - a cheaper home version of Vegas, Platinum also including Sound Forge Studio and DVD Architect (again, home versions) and really like it. 

    To try Vegas out during the 30 day trial, I only had a pile of test renders that (according to plan) should have been deleted by then, so I used those to see how I got along with the software. I liked it enough then to post it to YouTube. Although I've come a long way since then, I still like the short film to this day. The heroes are myself and my wife - our superhero versions! LOL 

    As of my copying this link, it has recieved 5,555 views! :)   I was still using skydomes (still haven't even tried Carrara's Realistic Sky much, if at all) except for the space scenes, which used what eventually became my first Daz3d product: Starry Sky for Carrara - 3D low-poly stars replicated onto four invisible globes - some using placement maps, others just randomized using the surface replicator controls. Anyway, since the making of this crazy thing I've learned SO MUCH MORE about lighting, animation, rendering, and just plain using Carrara and many of its other amazing features.

    When I uploaded it, I fogot that the title of the movie was "Just For Fun" and instead called it: "Just a Bit of Fun"! LOL

    Enjoy

    I came from a Poser background and then ventured into Vue, but really wanted to animate but the scenes I created with Vue took days to render, mostly because I didn't have a clue how to cheat the system ; ' ) I couldn't get on with Studio at the time so I never gave it any real effort to learn the interface whilst searching for my perfect set-up and then came Carrara version 6 on a mag CD with an upgrade to get 7 pro cheaper. There is something mystical about Carrara it does some things rediculously brilliant and somethings so dire it makes one wonder how on earth did this end up here..

    By the way I watched your video when it first came out and several times since during searches for tutorials 5,555 I'm at least 4 of them : ' )..

  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,624

    Thanks. Yeah... it's a horrible excercise in walk cycles, but I still like it for what it is. LOL

  • Thanks. Yeah... it's a horrible excercise in walk cycles, but I still like it for what it is. LOL

    I enjoyed it, well maybe the first time....

    I've attached the HDR, shaders and scene from the Aston Martin DB5, they are the same as the other car renders obviously with different diffuse colours.. And as you volunteered ; ' )
    The real killer is 1. Render settings 2. the Glass shader, maybe someone could improve and upload them...?

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  • StezzaStezza Posts: 8,120

    cool, thanks... I'll post a render soon.. but FYI the rubber shader is the glass and the glass shader is the rubber cool

  • StezzaStezza Posts: 8,120

    Holdens

     

  • StezzaStezza Posts: 8,120

    and IceCream with Holden FX

  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,624

    Very cool!!! yes

  • HeadwaxHeadwax Posts: 10,005
    edited October 2017
    Stezza said:

    Holdens

     

    this one's a beauty. could star in a remake of the Newcastle Song

     

    All the young men of Newcastle drive down Hunter Street in their hot FJ Holdens with chrome plated grease nipples and double reverse overhead twin cam door handles, sitting eight abreast in the front seat, and they lean out of the window and say real cool things to the sheilas on the footpath, like 'Aah g'day'. And every now and then, of course, one of the young ladies thinks to herself Ummmm she thinks Ummmmm.

     Bob Hudson

     

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,294
    edited October 2017

    I saw some nice immaculate FJHoldens and other classic and iconic  Holdens driving around Sunday a couple weeks ago along John Rice Avenue by GM Holdens newly closed factory at Elizabeth on my way home from church.

    It was bittersweet as all the former employees and supporters were lining the streets holding white balloons.

     

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-15/thousands-of-holden-fans-take-to-the-streets-in-adelaide/9050384

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  • HeadwaxHeadwax Posts: 10,005
    Bunyip02 said:

    ...and on a Hellbound Train!

    Lovely render Dart

     

    wow that it is some artwork Dart - congrats and hats off

     

  • HeadwaxHeadwax Posts: 10,005
    th3Digit said:

    I saw some nice immaculate FJHoldens and other classic and iconic  Holdens driving around Sunday a couple weeks ago along John Rice Avenue by GM Holdens newly closed factory at Elizabeth on my way home from church.

    It was bittersweet as all the former employees and supporters were lining the streets holding white balloons.

     

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-15/thousands-of-holden-fans-take-to-the-streets-in-adelaide/9050384

    yes very sad, next thing we'll be selling all our land to the Chinese ... oh wait, hold on. we already have

     

  • StezzaStezza Posts: 8,120

    not to let a chance go by..............................

     

  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,624
    Stezza said:

    not to let a chance go by..............................

     

    Bob Hudson - The Newcastle Song

    yes

  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,624
    th3Digit said:

    I saw some nice immaculate FJHoldens and other classic and iconic  Holdens driving around Sunday a couple weeks ago along John Rice Avenue by GM Holdens newly closed factory at Elizabeth on my way home from church.

    It was bittersweet as all the former employees and supporters were lining the streets holding white balloons.

     

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-15/thousands-of-holden-fans-take-to-the-streets-in-adelaide/9050384

    So sad.

  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,624
    head wax said:
    Bunyip02 said:

    ...and on a Hellbound Train!

    Lovely render Dart

     

    wow that it is some artwork Dart - congrats and hats off

     

    Why Thank Ye!

  • Stezza said:

    Holdens

     

    Nicely done, never heard of a Holdens before, it looks like the car on the right has tinted windows or possibly the angle?

    "but FYI the rubber shader is the glass and the glass shader is the rubber"
    Sorry about that, I've been a bit stressed lately.....

     

  • Stezza said:

    and IceCream with Holden FX

    These look great as well, hopefully they didn't take too long to render...

  • StezzaStezza Posts: 8,120

    not long at all... didn't take note but was no more than a few minutes each

    th3Digit said:

    I saw some nice immaculate FJHoldens and other classic and iconic  Holdens driving around Sunday a couple weeks ago along John Rice Avenue by GM Holdens newly closed factory at Elizabeth on my way home from church.

    It was bittersweet as all the former employees and supporters were lining the streets holding white balloons.

     

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-15/thousands-of-holden-fans-take-to-the-streets-in-adelaide/9050384

    they had a showing the other weekend in our local shopping centre car park.. I guess my car now is a collectors item lol

  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,624
    Stezza said:

    not long at all... didn't take note but was no more than a few minutes each

    th3Digit said:

    I saw some nice immaculate FJHoldens and other classic and iconic  Holdens driving around Sunday a couple weeks ago along John Rice Avenue by GM Holdens newly closed factory at Elizabeth on my way home from church.

    It was bittersweet as all the former employees and supporters were lining the streets holding white balloons.

     

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-15/thousands-of-holden-fans-take-to-the-streets-in-adelaide/9050384

    I guess my car now is a collectors item lol

    It's a beautiful model, Stezza! Very beautiful!

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,182
    edited October 2017

    watching baseball world series and rendering a movie star

     

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  • edited October 2017

    have nto been here for a looong time. thsi is a recent 

     

    EDIT: oh this is a carrara topic.  i jumped in on the last page. my msitake. my image is from studio. can a md delete this?

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  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,624

    have nto been here for a looong time. thsi is a recent 

     

    EDIT: oh this is a carrara topic.  i jumped in on the last page. my msitake. my image is from studio. can a md delete this?

    No... it's a Great Render!!!

  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,624
    edited October 2017
    Diomede said:

    watching baseball world series and rendering a movie star

     

    Awesome! Very albumy! (you know... like an old vinyl album cover)

    Post edited by Dartanbeck on
  • have nto been here for a looong time. thsi is a recent 

     

    EDIT: oh this is a carrara topic.  i jumped in on the last page. my msitake. my image is from studio. can a md delete this?

    Great render, very realistic..

  • JonstarkJonstark Posts: 2,738
    Jonstark said:
    PhilW said:
     
    PhilW said:

    Picking up on Chris Poole's comments, I never found Carrara's SSS to be convincing. When I started using Octane it was a revelation as the SSS you can achieve is so much better, and it also works well in iRay. So yes, a "horses for courses" approach makes a lot of sense. Overall, I am still very happy to have Carrara in my armoury.

    I've thought the SSS in Carrara can look pretty good for lots of things like marble or milk or whatever inanimate object material, but when it comes to human skin it's just eluded me for years how to get a realistic SSS effect.  In all my thousands and thousands of bald vickies, I've never even gotten all that close, and had to cobble together (aka: steal) my best settings from better artists than me (such as Philw, lol). I've wondered if it's just impossible to find the right settings that will look realistic in human skin or if there's some 'magic setting' that will one day be discovered that will make for a super realistic sss effect on skin.  I know that a good part of the problem is that when using texture maps for daz models there's already SSS baked in, and I wonder if the correct approach would be to use a grey procedural shader for skin and then add the sss until it looks realistic.

  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,624

    I haven't spent enough time to figure it out yet - mainly because it appears to me to only work for still images, but DCG's Shader Ops 2 has a thing called Light Mangler, which allows us to (amongst many other things) re-process the sss channel with modifications, like adding an SSS Map, for example. Perhaps I was overthinking it... it just seemed very difficult to work with for me. If you have Shader Ops 2, maybe you could figure it out better? He has a tutorial about it here

    But I agree with you. SSS doesn't seem to me to work right on humans in Carrara. There's no way for us to use a map to help control the effect intensity over the domain.

    One way that I was planning on experimenting with, but haven't yet, was to try using a low intensity setting for sss, and then use specific lights to help control the effect via the lights, and not so much via the shader. So if it takes a LOT of light to get the sss to kick in, and the scatter isn't super strong, we could add a light that blasts only the part of the figure we need sss - likely from behind, and at just the proper angle - I was thinking spot light(s).

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