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  • BobvanBobvan Posts: 2,652
    edited January 2013

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  • BobvanBobvan Posts: 2,652
    edited January 2013

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Nice sequence,

    They look better than I've seen, the backgrounds really pop.

    CHEERS!

  • BobvanBobvan Posts: 2,652
    edited December 1969

    Thanks as I mentioned Lux really did a nice job with this set

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited January 2013

    Here's another Rob, this time with Fresnel set up.

    Omnifreaker seemed to recommend a setting of 50% with a falloff of 1.09. I can't see much difference between this and the last Rob render I did without it set. Has anyone got any recommendations for settings that might make a difference, or should I just not bother with it!?

    Comparison renders will be most welcome

    CHEERS!

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  • BobvanBobvan Posts: 2,652
    edited December 1969

    That reminds me of the time someone recommended putting shading rate at 0.10 instead of 0.20 in the render settings. I did not see ANY difference except it took 5 times as long 0.10...

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Yeah, I think I saw that somewhere too,

    I did a really nice one with the Marie texture and S5 last night, her skin looks amazing!

    CHEERS!

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  • ps1borgps1borg Posts: 12,776
    edited December 1969

    Been a while since I posted anything.

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Here's one that pleased me,

    I never could get Natasha to light well in Poser, but, thanks to the HSS and DS, I can now! I can get nice results on the eyes if I use Spyro's techniques on the cornea and sclera alone.

    Enjoy

    CHEERS!

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    ps1borg said:
    Been a while since I posted anything.

    Nice,

    You have to look twice before you realise where he's standing.

    CHEERS!

  • BobvanBobvan Posts: 2,652
    edited January 2013

    Nice stuff everyone I have a new sequence but its too racy to post...

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  • madisonx_c5746f56a5madisonx_c5746f56a5 Posts: 224
    edited December 1969

    Two questions:

    1) For HSS, are you guys using the same techniques in the guides posted for Gen 4, or have you had to modify the settings and techniques for Genesis?

    2) For UVs, do you guys typically use the default Gen 4 UVs, or the Genesis / Gen 5 UVs?

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    The settings, and indeed the shader is the same, so yes, Kraig's guide and Omni's old one still apply. The Elite textures designed for V5/M5 like Bree and Phillip use their own UV's and older ones seem to use Gen 4, at least that's what I've experienced.

    CHEERS!

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Here's another that made me happy,

    Maya, never fond of her in Poser, now though, in DS, I really like her, thanks to Spyro even her default eyes look great.

    CHEERS!

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  • MotoTsumeMotoTsume Posts: 520
    edited December 1969

    Since Walking Dead is gonna be back soon - here is some Zombie Love

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited January 2013

    Very nice,

    No spoilers please, we don't get it on Freeview till much later.

    Here's Amy,

    That hair took AGES to render, doesn't look all that complicated either. It never ceases to amaze me that in weeks with DS I'm getting results it took years to get in Poser.

    CHEERS!

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  • Herald of FireHerald of Fire Posts: 3,504
    edited January 2013

    Rogerbee said:
    Very nice,

    No spoilers please, we don't get it on Freeview till much later.

    Here's Amy,

    That hair took AGES to render, doesn't look all that complicated either. It never ceases to amaze me that in weeks with DS I'm getting results it took years to get in Poser.

    CHEERS!

    Curious, what were your settings for the hair? I'm not seeing anything which should have contributed heavily to the render time unless you had the shading rate at 0.1 or something. Shading rate on things like UberEnvironment and render settings are a guaranteed way to kill your render times, but don't always give noticeably different results. If your shading rate is too low, you might want to adjust it to see how much quicker it renders and if there's any real differences.

    Edit: Playing around with UberSurface2 trying to get the best out of it. No postwork besides adding the background.

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited January 2013

    HeraldOfFire said:
    Curious, what were your settings for the hair? I'm not seeing anything which should have contributed heavily to the render time unless you had the shading rate at 0.1 or something. Shading rate on things like UberEnvironment and render settings are a guaranteed way to kill your render times, but don't always give noticeably different results. If your shading rate is too low, you might want to adjust it to see how much quicker it renders and if there's any real differences.

    Edit: Playing around with UberSurface2 trying to get the best out of it. No postwork besides adding the background.

    The settings for the hair were as standard, save for setting the lighting model to matte. I do however have a shading rate of 0.10 and always have UberEnvironment set at 4XHi. It's horses for courses I guess, some hair just takes longer.

    How are you finding UberSurface? I only use it on the corneas and use the HSS for everything else. Is it, as Omnifreaker said, an advance over the HSS? It struck me that a purpose made shader would be better than a 'one fits all' one, wouldn't it!?

    Here's Shaw,

    I love how, even though there's no light reflected in his eyes, there's still life in them.

    CHEERS!

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  • Herald of FireHerald of Fire Posts: 3,504
    edited January 2013

    Rogerbee said:
    HeraldOfFire said:
    Curious, what were your settings for the hair? I'm not seeing anything which should have contributed heavily to the render time unless you had the shading rate at 0.1 or something. Shading rate on things like UberEnvironment and render settings are a guaranteed way to kill your render times, but don't always give noticeably different results. If your shading rate is too low, you might want to adjust it to see how much quicker it renders and if there's any real differences.

    Edit: Playing around with UberSurface2 trying to get the best out of it. No postwork besides adding the background.

    The settings for the hair were as standard, save for setting the lighting model to matte. I do however have a shading rate of 0.10 and always have UberEnvironment set at 4XHi. It's horses for courses I guess, some hair just takes longer.

    How are you finding UberSurface? I only use it on the corneas and use the HSS for everything else. Is it, as Omnifreaker said, an advance over the HSS? It struck me that a purpose made shader would be better than a 'one fits all' one, wouldn't it!?

    Here's Shaw,

    I love how, even though there's no light reflected in his eyes, there's still life in them.

    CHEERS!The thing to note about UberSurface is that it was intended to be an upgrade for the original HSS and does so in a big way by adding a lot more controls over how the surface behaves. UberSurface 2 adds an extra layer to the mix, allowing for dual specular maps and dual reflection maps, among other things. It can, for example, add scratches to an otherwise 'perfect' complexion, or interesting highlights using reflection. I personally find it simply amazing to work with, and better still, there's an 'upgrade' setting which doesn't affect any existing material it's applied to. I've gotten into the habit of automatically converting my surfaces to use UberSurface 2, even if I don't plan on using all of the settings. It's just that much of a difference to my eyes.

    The above example was an experiment, though. I actually switched off specular entirely for the render and moved the spec maps over to reflection strength. Since specular is basically 'fake' reflection, I wanted to test how it would respond if I used a proper raytraced reflection setting to bring out the details. Being honest, I rather like the results even though they're far from perfect. I didn't make any changes to the hair though, which was my downfall. I plan on redoing the last image with some decent settings to bring some life into her hair as well.

    Of course down the downfall of relying on UberSurface so much is that it's entirely incompatible with Reality. Realtiy's 'guestimation' really throws off the fine tuning you make in Daz and there's no way to get those settings back in Reality.

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Sounds interesting, but I'd be lost without some sort of guide. I just about know where I am with the HSS without needing to do too much else.

    CHEERS!

  • Herald of FireHerald of Fire Posts: 3,504
    edited December 1969

    Rogerbee said:

    Sounds interesting, but I'd be lost without some sort of guide. I just about know where I am with the HSS without needing to do too much else.

    CHEERS!

    There's actually a pretty good starter tutorial on the Omnifreaker website, which is handily linked to in Daz under 'instructions'. Who knows, it might be worth expanding your comfort zone a little until it becomes second nature. The results can be incredible.
  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Thanks,

    I'll see, I'm happy with what's there for now. Constantly setting loads of things from scratch all the time can get tedious and I'm pleased enough with the results I'm getting from what I have been setting up already without doing too much more.

    I just want to get the basics down pat before I get too adventurous, it'd be like getting an origami book and starting at the back.

    CHEERS!

  • Herald of FireHerald of Fire Posts: 3,504
    edited December 1969

    Wouldn't that mean you'd start with a paper crane and end up with a sheet of blank A4? :D

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    LOL!

    Not really, it'd be akin to turning a piece of A3 into the HMS Victory when you've only ever done paper darts!

    Here's one that I've always loved and she's worked brilliantly no matter where she's been, Maelwenn's Vanessa.

    Enjoy

    CHEERS!

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  • starionwolfstarionwolf Posts: 3,670
    edited December 1969

    Rogerbee said:
    Very nice,

    No spoilers please, we don't get it on Freeview till much later.

    Here's Amy,

    That hair took AGES to render, doesn't look all that complicated either. It never ceases to amaze me that in weeks with DS I'm getting results it took years to get in Poser.

    CHEERS!

    Amy's skin reminds me of a skin texture that I have. I forgot the name of my texture though. If I find the skin, I'll post a render of it.

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    In renders I've seen Nicole doesn't look much different.

    I'll have to try the day presets for the lights.

    CHEERS!

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    And so I did try one of the day presets,

    And WOW!! I used to get to the end of my tether with the Elite Ariana texture, nothing I ever did in Poser seemed to make it look good. Now though, in DS, it's become part of what I consider to be one of my best ever renders. This is what I've been striving for for years!

    I had to cheat with the eyes as the camera angle wasn't right for there to be true reflections in the eyes, I felt they looked a little dead so I used eye textures from Auria.

    I love this, and, I love DS!!

    CHEERS!

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  • RarethRareth Posts: 1,462
    edited December 1969

    Poor Vicky, she got stuck in something...

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  • MotoTsumeMotoTsume Posts: 520
    edited December 1969

    The Alley

    best seen in large on deviantart

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    Cool renders guys!

    Now I know those day presets work so well, I need more scenes!

    CHEERS!

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