Announcing Reality 4 {Commercial}

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  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,167
    edited December 1969

    Silly question. If I register at that forum, Will I finally get a basic install guide for reality?

    Tho reading some other reports about it slowing down the computer, even when it is not in use, and wiping the OS being the only uninstall option, has me quite hesitant to even go past the initial purchase and nothing else the day it was released.

    I really do want to give Reality a try, it is just that I need to use this computer for 'SKYWARN', so wiping the OS to uninstall something is "NOT an Option" in the midst of winter here.

    I've at least got LuxRender and Luxus installed, and am still reading the manuals on them. And they are NOT slowing down this computer. Perhaps I'll just let Reality sit on Daz3d's servers a tad longer.
    (EDIT)
    And that issue with duplicated items will be an epic issue here, as most of the stuff I make with Daz Studio primitives, is duplicated items. Like this mainframe done in 3delight.

    Reality 2.5 didn't slow down the computer, just a few reporting R4 is. In the past the support for Reality has been exceptional so I'm not too worried this is going to sit around with noting being done.
    Now when you say "Install guide" are you having an install issue or are you looking for a users manual? The users manual is in the R4 installer and it's very thorough to say the least.

  • pcicconepciccone Posts: 661
    edited December 1969

    Hi everybody.

    I just wanted to say that I'm trying to catch up with all the emails but I'm terribly behind.
    There is a flood of emails, for several reasons, and only one of me. In addition we know that these forums not always send notifications.
    So, I'm not able to reply to your messages here but you can contact me via email using reality at preta3d dot com

    Alternatively see the Reality User's Guide for the support options.

    Thank you.

  • DesouzaDesouza Posts: 29
    edited December 1969

    I purchased Reality 4 through DAZ3D's online store. But, I never received a Reality 4 serial number. This means I cannot use what I purchased. Any help on this out there?

  • Robert FreiseRobert Freise Posts: 4,444
    edited December 1969

    WGoulart said:
    I purchased Reality 4 through DAZ3D's online store. But, I never received a Reality 4 serial number. This means I cannot use what I purchased. Any help on this out there?

    Go to your account click on serial numbers should be listed there

  • DkgooseDkgoose Posts: 1,451
    edited December 1969

    Is there a way to get the from dawn to dusk light sets and sphere of light to work in reality?

  • pcicconepciccone Posts: 661
    edited December 1969

    dkgoose said:
    Is there a way to get the from dawn to dusk light sets and sphere of light to work in reality?

    I'm not sure what you mean. Can you elaborate?
    Have you tried using the sun light?
  • DkgooseDkgoose Posts: 1,451
    edited December 1969

    I haven't upgraded to 4 yet, haven't had time, but to elaborate, I know some light sets don't work well with reality, but in from dawn to dusk light set there are some good night time lights so was wondering if there was a way to get them to work if they don't

  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited December 2014

    Dawn to dusk by IDG or InaneGlory.
    http://www.daz3d.com/dawn-to-dusk-lighting
    I have the second version
    http://www.daz3d.com/dawn-to-dusk-lighting-2

    They were probably made to work with 3delight and possibly Luxus. I don't know about Reality.
    On that note, DG told me that the "DG shader essentials 2" were made to be Luxus compatible, reality was not tested at the time I guess, I don't know. And I have yet to get Reality4 installed to try some testing, lol.
    (EDIT)
    I also have the "Sphere of Light - Enviroment Lighting", I have no clue what it's compatibility is other then it work awesome in 3delight. Things I would love to find out tho.

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  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited December 2014

    Silly question. If I register at that forum, Will I finally get a basic install guide for reality?

    Tho reading some other reports about it slowing down the computer, even when it is not in use, and wiping the OS being the only uninstall option, has me quite hesitant to even go past the initial purchase and nothing else the day it was released.

    I really do want to give Reality a try, it is just that I need to use this computer for 'SKYWARN', so wiping the OS to uninstall something is "NOT an Option" in the midst of winter here.

    I've at least got LuxRender and Luxus installed, and am still reading the manuals on them. And they are NOT slowing down this computer. Perhaps I'll just let Reality sit on Daz3d's servers a tad longer.
    (EDIT)
    And that issue with duplicated items will be an epic issue here, as most of the stuff I make with Daz Studio primitives, is duplicated items. Like this mainframe done in 3delight.

    Reality 2.5 didn't slow down the computer, just a few reporting R4 is. In the past the support for Reality has been exceptional so I'm not too worried this is going to sit around with noting being done.
    Now when you say "Install guide" are you having an install issue or are you looking for a users manual? The users manual is in the R4 installer and it's very thorough to say the least. Ok I purchased the thing. What do I do next? It is not in DIM, as pointed out before by others. Do I need to tell Reality4 where LuxRender is installed, how? I must install the thing, and register it, to get access to the 'manual' you speak of, that dose me no good getting it installed to begin with. And a better question is, if it is as bad on my computer as it was for some others, how do I uninstall the thing without wiping the OS?

    Is there install criteria that differs from Windows 7 64bit and other OS installs that I need to know (to keep it from crashing, or doing other bad things)? Same for the GPU vs CPU LuxRender variants while installing Reality4?

    I have never had 2.5 as I am NOT a seasoned CG user/artist. In fact I'm yet to use anything other then 3delight. And that was installed by DIM for me.

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  • CypherFOXCypherFOX Posts: 3,401
    edited December 1969

    Greetings,

    Ok I purchased the thing. What do I do next? It is not in DIM, as pointed out before by others.* Click 'My Account' at the top of this page.
    * Then click the 'Product Library' box.
    * If it's not at the top already, type 'reality' into the filter box and press enter (or click 'Filter').
    * You'll see 'Reality 4 - DAZ Studio' in the list. Click it.
    * Scroll down, and you'll see a list of files.
    * Pick the one that's right for your system. Download it.

    That will put a .zip file on your system. Double-click that .zip file (presuming you have an unzipper, which I think is true of both Windows and Mac natively) and that will uncompress a directory that contains an installer. Click the installer. It will give a dialog asking for some locations of DAZ Studio and other stuff like that. You'll need to figure out where to put it based on how you've installed your system. Odds are the defaults will be pretty good, but make sure.

    Do I need to tell Reality where LuxRender is installed, how?
    There will be a place to set that in the Reality dialog once it's installed.I must install the thing, and register it, to get access to the 'manual' you speak of, that dose me no good getting it installed to begin with. And a better question is, if it is as bad on my computer as it was for some others, how do I uninstall the thing without wiping the OS?I sincerely doubt that an OS reinstall is necessary, but the uninstall may not be simple. Odds are on Windows that it'll be removable through the OS's install/remove software dialog, but I'm honestly not sure. I haven't installed it on Windows yet. -- Morgan
  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited December 2014

    dkgoose said:
    I haven't upgraded to 4 yet, haven't had time, but to elaborate, I know some light sets don't work well with reality, but in from dawn to dusk light set there are some good night time lights so was wondering if there was a way to get them to work if they don't I don't know, tho what I herd about UE2 and LuxRender lights, it is not looking good.
    Dawn to Dusk Lighting is a set of 40 HDRI lighting presets for the UberEnvironment2. All HDRI images were custom made and optimized for the UberEnvironment.
    So it is down to how well Reality can translate UE2 into LuxRender lights I guess, If at all.
    (EDIT)
    It is exactly the same for "Dawn to Dusk Lighting 2". And "Sphere of Light - Enviroment Lighting".

    Cypherfox
    Odds are the defaults will be pretty good, but make sure.??? thanks for the good start, that line has me scratching my head. (jokingly stating the obvious) How do I make sure, lol.
    GeForce 8600GT, AMD FX-8350, 16GB RAM.
    LuxRender 64bit CPU (Not GPU)
    Studio 4.7
    Windows 7 64bit pro.
    My Library on "C" (SSD), My Daz3D library on "Y" (HDD), cash/temp on "R" (RAM drive). What am I missing for critical info?

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  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited December 2014

    Props and lights path???
    Do I point that to "My Library" on the "C" drive, or the "My Daz3d Library" on my "Y" drive, or is it independent from Studio?
    (EDIT)
    If this is independent from Studio, can I put it on another drive, to save space on the SSD?

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  • Robert FreiseRobert Freise Posts: 4,444
    edited December 1969

    It goes where you have all your content (figures props poses etc.)installed

  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited December 2014

    It goes where you have all your content (figures props poses etc.)installed
    Not good, lol. That stuff is on two separate drives (not logical, physical drives on separate SATA cables). :ohh:
    "My Library" on “C” (SSD), "My Daz3D library" on “Y” (HDD),
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  • pcicconepciccone Posts: 661
    edited December 1969

    Ok I purchased the thing. What do I do next? It is not in DIM, as pointed out before by others.

    Have you downloaded the zipfile?
    Once you have it just double-click to expand it. Once you have the folder with all the files double-click on the RealityInstaller program.
    That's it.

    Run Reality, register and look at the Reality User's Guide, from the help menu. All the details for the installation of Lux are in there.

    Hope this helps.

  • pcicconepciccone Posts: 661
    edited December 1969

    Props and lights path???
    Do I point that to "My Library" on the "C" drive, or the "My Daz3d Library" on my "Y" drive, or is it independent from Studio?
    (EDIT)
    If this is independent from Studio, can I put it on another drive, to save space on the SSD?

    It doesn't matter where you put the Lights and Props, the installer will add the path to your Studio configuration.
    It is a good thing, though, to keep track where you add them so that you can keep that path if you install an update.

    Cheers.

  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited December 1969

    Thanks Cypherfox, Pret-A-3D, and Robert Freise. I will look at this again tomorrow as for the install, I'm falling asleep at the keyboard (long day).

    I find it odd that Luxus has no issue with the Uber panels and UE2 (Bluebird3d vids I just started watching), yet Reality is for some?

  • Herald of FireHerald of Fire Posts: 3,504
    edited December 1969

    I find it odd that Luxus has no issue with the Uber panels and UE2 (Bluebird3d vids I just started watching), yet Reality is for some?
    Luxus ignores UE2 and converts AreaLight surfaces into a glossy material by default, so I'm not sure what you mean.

    Both are 3Delight shaders rather than actual lighting, which makes it incredibly difficult, or rather impossible, to convert directly into Luxrender compatible lights. For a start, UberEnvironment ignores specular which is physically impossible for a light since every light bounce is based off specular. The UberAreaLight has a strong fall off, which wouldn't happen with real world lights either.

    On the other hand, you can easily convert an UberAreaLight into Luxrender area light via the Reality interface. The difference is it will actually behave as a proper light, so your scene may need some tweaking as a result. Don't hit the render button expecting identical results to a 3DL render, because the lighting solutions needed are very different.

    There isn't and has never been a way to convert UberEnvironment into Luxrender. Every converter so far simply ignores it because it's untranslatable. Your best bet for reproducing the effect is large mesh lights. The larger size will soften shadows, giving you a nice filler light without harsh dark spots.

  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited December 2014

    morning HeraldOfFire, rather groggy morning here, I'm needing coffee.
    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewreply/726546/

    Pret-A-3D said:
    dkgoose said:
    Is there a way to get the from dawn to dusk light sets and sphere of light to work in reality?
    I'm not sure what you mean. Can you elaborate?
    Have you tried using the sun light?
    dkgoose said:
    I haven't upgraded to 4 yet, haven't had time, but to elaborate, I know some light sets don't work well with reality, but in from dawn to dusk light set there are some good night time lights so was wondering if there was a way to get them to work if they don't
    Dawn to dusk by IDG or InaneGlory.
    http://www.daz3d.com/dawn-to-dusk-lighting
    I have the second version
    http://www.daz3d.com/dawn-to-dusk-lighting-2

    They were probably made to work with 3delight and possibly Luxus. I don't know about Reality.
    On that note, DG told me that the "DG shader essentials 2" were made to be Luxus compatible, reality was not tested at the time I guess, I don't know. And I have yet to get Reality4 installed to try some testing, lol.
    (EDIT)
    I also have the "Sphere of Light - Enviroment Lighting", I have no clue what it's compatibility is other then it work awesome in 3delight. Things I would love to find out tho.

    I haven't upgraded to 4 yet, haven't had time, but to elaborate, I know some light sets don't work well with reality, but in from dawn to dusk light set there are some good night time lights so was wondering if there was a way to get them to work if they don't
    I don't know, tho what I herd about UE2 and LuxRender lights, it is not looking good.
    Dawn to Dusk Lighting is a set of 40 HDRI lighting presets for the UberEnvironment2. All HDRI images were custom made and optimized for the UberEnvironment.So it is down to how well Reality can translate UE2 into LuxRender lights I guess, If at all.
    (EDIT)
    It is exactly the same for "Dawn to Dusk Lighting 2". And "Sphere of Light - Enviroment Lighting".
    I had just waatched the first part (7 vids) of the "Luxus Pro Training" vids.
    http://www.daz3d.com/luxus-pro-training
    The UE2 probably did not translate as understandable, the skydome was still there tho, I think. And that was using an Uber Panle lights (the omnifreek thing included with daz studio, szark uber-cam-light-thing). I might have missed something as the vids seamed to not quite be in order for some reason. Thus I'm scratching my head. It looked like it worked in Luxus, and dkgoose is pointing out difficulties with Reality. I need tio get some coffee and look at all this again. A distant light, a UE2 sphere thing, and a "UberAreaLight" (I called it incorrectly a light panel, cause that is what it looked like).
    (EDIT, and I need to take off to direct traffic for a parade in about an hour, it will take ma a bit to get back to this. Staggering area closed at about 11am EST, showtime from 3pm to 5pm EST.).
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  • XenomorphineXenomorphine Posts: 2,421
    edited December 1969

    When this receives the first patching update, I'm assuming we'll have to download/install a new version from our product library, yes? Which will automatically patch the previous version up to date?

    Only, Windows uninstaller doesn't seem to have an option for the installed Reality.

  • Herald of FireHerald of Fire Posts: 3,504
    edited December 1969

    The UE2 probably did not translate as understandable, the skydome was still there tho, I think. And that was using an Uber Panle lights (the omnifreek thing included with daz studio, szark uber-cam-light-thing). I might have missed something as the vids seamed to not quite be in order for some reason.

    Thus I'm scratching my head. It looked like it worked in Luxus, and dkgoose is pointing out difficulties with Reality. I need tio get some coffee and look at all this again. A distant light, a UE2 sphere thing, and a "UberAreaLight" (I called it incorrectly a light panel, cause that is what it looked like).

    As mentioned, the UberAreaLight is converted to a glossy material by default in both Luxus and Reality because it can't really function as it does normally. However, you can manually convert them into mesh lights in both plugins.

    The UE2 is ignored by both Reality and Luxus, but I'm confused as to how you were able to keep your skydome. Skydomes don't work well in Luxrender because it's essentially a box or sphere which covers the entire scene. This means two things. Firstly, distant lights can't penetrate the skydome, so things like sunlight and IBL's are useless. Secondly, light is now travelling much farther to reach the edge of the dome and bounce backwards, which increases the calculation time and slows down renders considerably.

    A workaround is to use an IBL as an 'infinite' light which will be displayed in the render, similar to how my Luxus IBL presets work. Reality does this by default when you set an IBL in the lights tab.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,042
    edited December 1969

    ...the issue with Skydomes in LuxRender is there isn't a "Cast Shadows: Off" setting.like with 3DL.

    In the first test scene I was working with, a helicopter in the background was casting a shadow on the photo backdrop plane. I had to move it so the shadow was hidden behind one of the girls.

  • DustRiderDustRider Posts: 2,743
    edited December 1969

    My first R4 finished test render. I've just been tweaking and adjusting the shaders to get a handle on how they respond to the changes, and doing "silly SSS tricks" with the must have pink ears when lit from behind. Still a bit of refinement to get the bump and spec perfect, but getting close.

    I liked the results, so I thought I'd share my "test render". Bree textures on a custom V6 character.

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  • DkgooseDkgoose Posts: 1,451
    edited December 1969

    So installed everything and my serial is invalid, only way to enter it is cut and paste as it doesn't allow you to type it in, what am I doing wrong

  • Geminii23Geminii23 Posts: 1,327
    edited December 1969

    Hi Paolo,

    So I don't know what is wrong but I am not able to get Reality 4 working at all.

    I have tried lots of things, but recently I tried removing Reality 2.5 altogether and then trying to install Reality 4.0. Once I did this, I was not able to open DAZ at all.

    I am on Mac OSx Mavericks. Daz 4.7.

    Any advice would be great.

    Thanks.

  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,415
    edited December 1969

    dkgoose said:
    So installed everything and my serial is invalid, only way to enter it is cut and paste as it doesn't allow you to type it in, what am I doing wrong

    I've just read over on the RDNA forums that he's had problems with the web site and this has happened to several people. He posted about it on face book apparently.

    http://forum.runtimedna.com/showthread.php?89931-I-m-suddenly-told-my-licence-is-invalid

  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited December 2014

    HeraldOfFire, I'm confused as well, as the vids are absolutely not in order. A little to much skipping around for me to follow. About all I was able to follow having only watched less then half the Luxus lessons is "Sky2" and HDR files going somewhere. I should have gone with the "Luxus for brain-dead Idiots", not the "Luxus for lifetime CG users that already know what there doing" lessons, lol.

    I do hope they sort out that website issue, I don't even know If I'm one of the individuals effected or not, lol. I Mostly didn't have the time yet.

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  • EnchantedPixieEnchantedPixie Posts: 475
    edited December 1969

    Reality 4 is beyond SLOW.....it slows down loading of figures and Daz in general . I own it and am seriously considering uninstalling it for Daz. Its a shame as I have done some lovely work with it in the past.

  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,167
    edited December 1969

    Geminii23 said:
    Hi Paolo,

    So I don't know what is wrong but I am not able to get Reality 4 working at all.

    I have tried lots of things, but recently I tried removing Reality 2.5 altogether and then trying to install Reality 4.0. Once I did this, I was not able to open DAZ at all.

    I am on Mac OSx Mavericks. Daz 4.7.

    Any advice would be great.

    Thanks.
    Try creating a new admin account, boot to that account and try it.

    Reality 4 is beyond SLOW.....it slows down loading of figures and Daz in general . I own it and am seriously considering uninstalling it for Daz. Its a shame as I have done some lovely work with it in the past.


    some users have reported this, and a bug report was filed. Paolo is usually very good about fixing his software but that's all I can tell you.
    In the mean time if you remove the R4 plugin from your plugins folder you can continue to use R2 until this is sorted or you might be able to get a refund. I'm going to wait it out but I feel your frustration.
  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited December 2014

    While I wait for advice on cleanly uninstalling Reality4 without breaking the computer (should it cause problems).

    How much HDD space dose that Lights path need? Is it a reed only while in use folder, or is there a ton of wrights going there during renders?

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