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I love adobe software been using them back when they were macromedia.. I paid $1099 for my cs4 master collection with a 45% off because I was a existing customer, updating with the early adopter special offer. the master collection at the time was going for $1899US for Creative suite CS4 and Adobe sent me CS5 later when cs5 came out so they sent me a free upgrade on disk ina green box. I forget the reason why now. But I own those software on disk forever
Creative cloud cost are varied on what you buy. but the plans start at 19.99 a month for individuals (apps). I paid $200 for Indesign cc (App), and I did it for the 1 year pre paid subscription. because I had got a 20% discount that way. and only because i was an existing customer and I had a cs product over version cs3 .. which I had 2 of them cs4 & cs5 . I donno if I will get that same price when my subscription up .but i definitely don't own it for ever. The problem I had was indesign cs5 lacks some support items i need for Jquery thats the only reason I got it. everything else I do, i still use in my creative suite5 Mostly dreamweaver and photoshop.
To be honest owning the Creative suite software which adobe me sent the disks for. was much easier than dealing with a cloud base service for a product that requires you to be attached to the internet for all the bells and whistle. plus the fact after the year subscription up so is my (App) which stand for Application compared to a software program.. But I can say adobe has been very good with their Online support for the cloud issue i have had , which have mostly been connection issues because of some windows up dates or something on their end when they were updating things. I think owning a house is much better than renting one.
Edited for spelling so you could read it..lol
All OEM's are like that Cath. This isn't just a Win 10 thing. EVERY OEM version of MS I've gotten in the past has that same sort of drivel attached to it. But when I've changed computers or enough hardware to warrent the system to warm me that my warrenty is no longer valid I've called MS for a new key and have never been denied one!
I pay $9.99 per month for Photoshop and Lightroom set and I hope they keep it this way :) I get free upgrades to new versions without additional cost, but that is nice of them to sent you upgrade at no cost well you know why lol there is no free lunch lol the program I am using with request the last version of PS so having older version do not work for me , I have tones of software on CDs that I spend a lot on and they are no usable for me anyway , as it was one ride pony . I prefer subscription in this case
The most case is motherboard , I changed everything in the last 2 years beside motherboard and still everything working, for SSD I always make a clone so not need new instalation , right now my system is on max so I keep it this way for some time and at last 3-4 years for sure
I read in the microsoft forum that if you want to upgrade your system to work better with win10 they will give you additional key until next year as well but not for older versions .
You are talking about a company that has been dictating to OEMs to make the hardware be as specific to their software, no other company comes close. I know exactly what you are trying to say, but it doesn't wash with Microsoft's history in the IBM PC clone market.
It is just one of Linux's issues, but not the only one.
I totally get where ya coming from , like i said i had to pay for CC indeisgn even though Adobe would give me the complete CC suite free today( see screen shot) if I would go back & work for them because I left them on very good terms,. But I rather pay for 1 item I need then go back to California to work..lol I have a old Dreamweaver & fireworks software when they were Macromedia before Adobe took them over. that I rather use over the the cs5 version because of some of the content is easier to use for me.and it still works great on windows 7. Its just like even though Daz3a is way out of date and unsupported, I still use it regularly because of the FX plugins that I have for the daz 3 program will not work in the new versions of Daz .But still works great in windows 7. So Older is not always a bad thing maybe I feel that way because I am old..lol , and I really don't want to take any chance on those working software programs stop working in a upgrade to windows 10 because I need the tools I have for my work as well.
I think if I remember right Adobe sent me CS5 because I was working for the Adobe Ambassador Program back in 2012 after I got Photoshop and Illustrator certified . I went back and was looking at my account records . but as you can see I have been with Adobe a very long time, :) and I the love people there as well a really super bunch, I still stay in contact with them Rodger B was the one who suggested i use daz to create some art work i needed I could not accomplish with Illustrator and the rest as they say is history :)
I would dare say a lot of people and even companies using software like this will stay with a operating system that their software works on rather than take a chance on a system that may kill their productivity. Like you said there is no free lunch..
Edited for spelling I am very dyslexic
That's great Ivy, I still have my very old software also old Dreamweaver & fireworks software from Macromedia as I used it a lot in the early days when working on web design etc ..
BTW sneaky M$ tried 15 times to update my system to win10 but failed .. and mostly around 5:00 am in the morning , I had to disable the task for that but then they came with a Task trigger update and change permission so only Admin account can change it , by default it is not active but I have my trick to reboot with Administrator so I killed it .. now only waiting for another try .. under my updates history I have over 8 failed attempts
The task was like : try everyday in the morning then after noon, or 3 times per day ... this is ridiculous -lol the trigger was not there yesterday but after windows update yesterday it show up.. very funny
That's standard liscencing for OEM version. However, different versions have different liscencing. What was being discussed is the 'free upgrade' version, of which I had not yet seen any official statement by Microsoft on the exact terms of liscensure. I will look for this, a link is always helpful as to where on their site, thanks.
I got 17 updates yesturday on my big machine 5 of them had to do with windows update compatibiltiy upgrade which I un check and hide , which I could have never done with win10. My samsung lap top I upgraded to win 10 on and reverted it back to windows 8.1 gets a install win10 update notice every time I start it up. which I can;t under stand that either because when i went back to window 8.1 on it I used the CD to do a clean install so I should ahve not been getting these update messages ..Pahaps I missed one of those Nag-ware KB thingys when i reverted it back so I'll have to go hunt that down and see if that the case
I'm not understanding what you are saying here... If the statement about OEMs being dictated to is referring to Microsoft, that is incorrect. Microsoft does not dictate to Samsung, Hitachi, or any of the hardware companies how to make their product. Apple is the only company who sort of does this, and even then, they more 'hand pick' specfic hardware to go into their products rather then dictate..
As to the variability induced by the number and variance of distros, I would put that it is at the heart of what most defines Linux, both it's strengths and weaknesses. Yes, there is the OpenSource, compile your own etc... but that is intimately entwined with the previous mentioned aspect.
[Edit] It just occurred to me what you may be inferring. Hardware manufacturers do make their product to comply with the Microsoft OS as to drivers whereas they don't put near as much effort, sometimes none into supporting Linux, Apple being somewhere inbetween here.. but that is because Microsoft is the 900lb Gorrilla in the room. It's not so much Microsoft dictates as the various hardware companies are in the position that if they are going to sell to this very big market, they need to make sure their product works within that space. The fact that Apple's OS is based on OpenBSD, a kissing cousin to Linux means that once they make their drivers available for Apple, it would not be that hard to do so for Linux theoretically, however... that variability thing comes into play again. Apple's core is stable whereas various distros will actually compile the Linux kernal differently, that is, the core is *not* stable. This variability causes much of the hardware issues related to Linux where there is a Linux driver but it gives people problems in different distros. To truly understand this issue, one should go through the process of building a simple Linux distro from the ground up as explained in the Linux From Scratch project. It's very similar to what I used to teach in the beginning portion of my Linux+ classes. (The LFS project doesn't include the later sysadmin material.)
CompTia founding member/instructor... A+, Linux+, Security+, Server+, Network+, MCSE, RHCT, CCNA, ....
I just took the plunge on my 8 laptop everything seems to pretty well run the same. The only thing I had to do was re install my nvidia driver. I have an image of my 8.1 should I not like it or they want to make me pay later on...
I heard Microsoft representatives mention they are moving to a servicing model for Windows 10, does that mean Windows 10 is going to require a subscription?
No, Windows 10 remains a perpetual license, which means, you can upgrade to Windows 10 and use it forever without it expiring or going into any reduced functional mode.
source:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/wiki/insider_wintp-insider_install/frequently-asked-questions-windows-10/5c0b9368-a9e8-4238-b1e4-45f4b7ed2fb9
see also
https://redmondmag.com/articles/2015/04/01/subscription-model.aspx
http://www.pcgamer.com/microsoft-windows-10-will-not-be-sold-as-a-subscription/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2926086/future-windows-10-upgrades-wont-come-with-sneaky-charges-microsoft-clarifies.html
I prefer Windows 10 to Windows 7
So far I like it
Sadly your machine will not last forever and the moment it is done so is your free forever win10 .. simple as that
As Microsoft Program Manager for Windows Terry Myerson described it :
This is more than a one-time upgrade: once a Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will continue to keep it current for the supported lifetime of the device –at no additional charge.
I heard Microsoft representatives mention they are moving to a servicing model for Windows 10, does that mean Windows 10 is going to require a subscription?
No, Windows 10 remains a perpetual license, which means, you can upgrade to Windows 10 and use it forever without it expiring or going into any reduced functional mode. ( forever means as long your device is running )
Go to Microsoft website and Community , you will have all info you need ... no need speculations
Thank you, that is very helpful for answering one concern I've heard many have over Windows10. I think the overriding one now is Privacy issues as stability/performance issues should work themselves out given a little time.
The part about being tied to the device has traditionally been for the OEM version specifically. If one bought a retail version, it was not tied to the device. They may have changed this with Windows 10 (or not) but as you mentioned, the information can be easily gotten. The bigger issue, that of potential subscription conversion was answered though in that they are not going to the subscription model 'in any of their licensing models' with Windows 10 evidently.
Thank you for the information. :)
I'm not defending it but I did want to shed some light on that information from what I found.
in the mean time iViva Ventana Siete! (long live Windows 7!)
That why I mentioned OEM as it seems to have exactly the same license as (for the win10 Free upgrade version ) I have retail Core version of win10 and I don't see anything mentioned about what is a different story with my OEM win8.1 pro I purchased
and you welcome !
That was good info I read it the other day too , I would be completely happy with it if my cards perform the way they should under win10, I was all excited about and also disappointed at the end .
My PC score under win10 was 967 for the system ,GPU : 867 frames per second (that is a score of average PC ) , and under win8.1 pro PC score 2036 for the system, GPU : 2037 frames per second , that tell all double power.. I wish it was reversed .. so I am going to give them couple of months to settle down with all the issues .
So long as Microsoft enables (or permits sidestepping) activation, Windows 7 will be usable for as long as there is hardware to run it on.
Best to download all the updates before 2020...
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I always recommend making a system image either right after purchasing/cleaning out junk/updating if buying a new system or right after install/update of OS if building (activated of course) so that at least on that hardware one can always do a clean install without having to re-activate.
Did that for both win 8.1 and win 7 machines. I re activated the upgrade hidden file on my 7 machine ealier since I want to install it on it as well, but its back to "let me know when ready" stage even though was ready to update a few weeks back..
Of course it is back this morning again , very clever of them , it tried to upgrade itself 3 times this morning to win10 again ..
Not exactly giving my Win 10 laptop a workout as it's a 'backup' machine, but it does contains a few programs that I want/need to use. Main issues, thus far have been:
"a new feature has been installed" - yes? Wow ... er, what feature exctly?
It randomly drops network connection, by turning off the wifi adapter.
It does not remember my wifi settings (I do not broadcast SSID), but WIn 7 and 8 cope fine with that.
Microsoft have moved of from the subtle little icon in the task bar. Today I got a pop-up window on my Windows 7 machine saying Micorsoft recommends that I reserve a Windows 10 upgrade.
I've got Windows 10 on a convertable tablet/laptop machine. The only problem I've found with it is that it won't shut down (I have to use the power button to switch off) and if I put it into sleep mode it won't wake up. I haven't had any problems with drivers, but it hasn't got a very good graphics card anyway. I'll haven't tried Studio, Carrrara or Bryce on it yet. I'll give them a go soon, it's not a very high performance machine but it should be able to run them.
You can hide the icon from your task bar and set to only notification also turn off Windows updates notification and it will not bother your on your desktop , but also it will bother you in Action Center so you can set turn off Update notification in Action Center , still even if you disable win10 upgrade under Task Manager / Microsoft/Setup it will try to download and update at it self but at last will not bother on the Desktop as it is annoying .
Check the power functions for the other issues and change settings
Wifi turns off because of power settings , you need access hidden power settings to set it no matter what version , Balanced power setting will turn off the Network devices from time to time and decrace perfomance of CPU and GPU
Cath I also had those "failed attempts" when I had the icon turned off & hidden. I find it amusing that when I am wiling tp update my desktop I have to wait LOL! My laptop instantly booted up this morning and does run faster with 10. I tried to quickly fire up an iray render (no settings just a character) hard to say if there was a delay since I luxrender which runs the same...