Windows 10 - It's heeerrre! and it's free for some

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  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    edited August 2015
    MEC4D said:

    $699 PSCC6 +Lightroom $149  year cost with Adobe cloud I am subscribed too is $119.88 so I will have to pay 7 years to equal the full package so it is cheap if you use it to work with and not just for hobby 

    The price for Adobe CS6 Master Collection for Windows Full Retail Edition is $2.899 now go and pay separate for each Master Collection future version it will cost you a lot more in the end as there are not lifetime upgrades included .

    Gedd said:

    ? ... Not a for/against subscriptions services point here but rather trying to keep facts straight... The monthly subscription rate is $50 for the full package which = $600 year... The last price I saw to purchase the Master Collection when it was still new was well into the thousands, close to $4k U.S. in fact. Since one can only get it through 3d party software companies now, much of which is grey market, and it is years old, one can't compare the 'cheep' prices one finds on the net as a vaild comparison for pricing. Grey market goods do have their own hidden costs which I won't go into.

    Ivy said:

    I'm interested in knowing. Do you use Adobe products? are you using creative cloud or creative suite?  Do you know after one years time paying for all the creative cloud serves  you would have paid them enough for the stand alone master collection creative suite cs6,

     

    I love adobe software been using them back when they were macromedia..  I paid $1099 for my cs4 master collection with a 45% off because I was a existing customer, updating  with the early adopter special offer. the master collection at the time was going for $1899US for Creative suite CS4  and Adobe sent me CS5  later when cs5 came out so they sent me a free upgrade on disk ina green box.  I forget the reason why now. But I own those software on disk forever

     Creative cloud cost are varied on what you buy. but the plans start at 19.99 a month for individuals (apps).  I paid $200 for Indesign cc (App), and I did it for the 1 year pre paid subscription.  because I had got a 20% discount that way. and only because i was an existing customer and I had a cs product over version cs3 .. which I had 2 of them cs4 & cs5 . I donno if I will get that same price when my subscription up .but i definitely don't own it for ever. The problem I had was  indesign cs5 lacks some support items i need for Jquery thats the only reason I got it. everything else I do,  i still use in my creative suite5  Mostly dreamweaver and photoshop.

     To be honest owning  the Creative suite software which adobe me sent the disks for.  was much easier than dealing with a cloud base service for a product that requires you to be attached to the internet for all the bells and whistle. plus the fact after the year subscription up so is my (App)  which stand for Application compared to a software program..  But I can say adobe has been very good with their Online support for the cloud issue i have had , which have mostly been connection issues because of some windows up dates or something on their end when they were updating things.    I think owning a house is much better than renting one. 

    Edited for spelling so you could read it..lol

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  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,212
    MEC4D said:
    Microsoft :
    "Windows 7, Windows 8.1, and Windows Phone 8.1 will be able to upgrade to the new operating system for free as long as they do so within one year of Windows 10's launch. Once you’ve claimed the upgrade, it's permanent, and Microsoft will keep you updated for the supported lifetime of the device."
    source : Microsoft website 

     

    It is printed also on each installation of OEM Windows version Disk too unless you run a Win Retail version and an Upgrade as win10 is OEM version  “for the supported lifetime of your device" once your change your motherboard or if it die it is gone .OEM is locked to one computer and so Upgrade of Win10 as you can't transfer the license to another computer system .

    Gedd said:
    MEC4D said:

    You will get free upgrades to the last day your device is running  at not extra charge  ...

    As far as I know, Microsoft never actually confirmed this. Do you have a reference to somewhere where they officially stated this?

     

    All OEM's are like that Cath.  This isn't just a Win 10 thing.  EVERY OEM version of MS I've gotten in the past has that same sort of drivel attached to it.  But when I've changed computers or enough hardware to warrent the system to warm me that my warrenty is no longer valid I've called MS for a new key and have never been denied one! 

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    I pay $9.99 per month for Photoshop and Lightroom set and I hope they keep it this way :)  I get free upgrades to new versions without additional cost, but that is nice of them to sent you upgrade at no cost well you know why lol there is no free lunch lol the program I am using with request the last version of PS so having older version do not work for me , I have tones of software on CDs that I spend a lot on and they are no usable for me anyway , as it was one ride pony . I prefer subscription in this case 

    Ivy said:
    MEC4D said:

    $699 PSCC6 +Lightroom $149  year cost with Adobe cloud I am subscribed too is $119.88 so I will have to pay 7 years to equal the full package so it is cheap if you use it to work with and not just for hobby 

    The price for Adobe CS6 Master Collection for Windows Full Retail Edition is $2.899 now go and pay separate for each Master Collection future version it will cost you a lot more in the end as there are not lifetime upgrades included .

    Gedd said:

    ? ... Not a for/against subscriptions services point here but rather trying to keep facts straight... The monthly subscription rate is $50 for the full package which = $600 year... The last price I saw to purchase the Master Collection when it was still new was well into the thousands, close to $4k U.S. in fact. Since one can only get it through 3d party software companies now, much of which is grey market, and it is years old, one can't compare the 'cheep' prices one finds on the net as a vaild comparison for pricing. Grey market goods do have their own hidden costs which I won't go into.

    Ivy said:

    I'm interested in knowing. Do you use Adobe products? are you using creative cloud or creative suite?  Do you know after one years time paying for all the creative cloud serves  you would have paid them enough for the stand alone master collection creative suite cs6,

     

    I love adobe software been using them back when they were macromedia..  I paid $1099 for my cs4 master collection with a 45% off because I was a existing customer, updating  with the early adopter special offer. the master collection at the time was going for $1899US for Creative suite CS4  and Adobe sent me CS5  later when cs5 came out so they sent me a free upgrade on disk ina green box.  I forget the reason why now. But I own those software on disk forever

     Creative cloud cost are varied on what you buy. but the plans start at 19.99 a month for individuals (apps).  I paid $200 for Indesign cc (App), and I did it for the 1 year pre paid subscription.  because I had got a 20% discount that way. and only because i was an existing customer and I had a cs product over version cs3 .. which I had 2 of them cs4 & cs5 . I donno if I will get that same price when my subscription up .but i definitely don't own it for ever. The problem I had was  indesign cs5 lacks some support items i need for Jquery thats the only reason I got it. everything else I do,  i still use in my creative suite5  Mostly dreamweaver and photoshop.

     To be honest owning  the Creative suite software which adobe me sent the disks for.  was much easier than dealing with a cloud base service for a product that requires you to be attached to the internet for all the bells and whistle. plus the fact after the year subscription up so is my (App)  which stand for Application compared to a software program..  But I can say adobe has been very good with their Online support for the cloud issue i have had , which have mostly been connection issues because of some windows up dates or something on their end when they were updating things.    I think owning a house is much better than renting one. 

    Edited for spelling so you could read it..lol

     

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    The most case is motherboard , I changed everything in the last 2 years beside motherboard and still everything working,   for SSD I always make a clone so not need new instalation , right now my system is on max so I keep it this way for some time and at last 3-4 years for sure 

    I read in the microsoft forum that if you want to upgrade your system to work better with win10 they will give you additional key until next year as well but not for older versions .

    RAMWolff said:
    MEC4D said:
    Microsoft :
    "Windows 7, Windows 8.1, and Windows Phone 8.1 will be able to upgrade to the new operating system for free as long as they do so within one year of Windows 10's launch. Once you’ve claimed the upgrade, it's permanent, and Microsoft will keep you updated for the supported lifetime of the device."
    source : Microsoft website 

     

    It is printed also on each installation of OEM Windows version Disk too unless you run a Win Retail version and an Upgrade as win10 is OEM version  “for the supported lifetime of your device" once your change your motherboard or if it die it is gone .OEM is locked to one computer and so Upgrade of Win10 as you can't transfer the license to another computer system .

    Gedd said:
    MEC4D said:

    You will get free upgrades to the last day your device is running  at not extra charge  ...

    As far as I know, Microsoft never actually confirmed this. Do you have a reference to somewhere where they officially stated this?

     

    All OEM's are like that Cath.  This isn't just a Win 10 thing.  EVERY OEM version of MS I've gotten in the past has that same sort of drivel attached to it.  But when I've changed computers or enough hardware to warrent the system to warm me that my warrenty is no longer valid I've called MS for a new key and have never been denied one! 

     

  • nDelphinDelphi Posts: 1,861
    Gedd said:

    Linux with all of it's distros is in the worst position this way, and a big part of why many software companies won't come out with a Linux version.

    You are talking about a company that has been dictating to OEMs to make the hardware be as specific to their software, no other company comes close. I know exactly what you are trying to say, but it doesn't wash with Microsoft's history in the IBM PC clone market.

    It is just one of Linux's issues, but not the only one.

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    edited August 2015
    MEC4D said:

    The most case is motherboard , I changed everything in the last 2 years beside motherboard and still everything working,   for SSD I always make a clone so not need new instalation , right now my system is on max so I keep it this way for some time and at last 3-4 years for sure 

    I read in the microsoft forum that if you want to upgrade your system to work better with win10 they will give you additional key until next year as well but not for older versions .

    RAMWolff said:
    MEC4D said:
    Microsoft :
    "Windows 7, Windows 8.1, and Windows Phone 8.1 will be able to upgrade to the new operating system for free as long as they do so within one year of Windows 10's launch. Once you’ve claimed the upgrade, it's permanent, and Microsoft will keep you updated for the supported lifetime of the device."
    source : Microsoft website 

     

    It is printed also on each installation of OEM Windows version Disk too unless you run a Win Retail version and an Upgrade as win10 is OEM version  “for the supported lifetime of your device" once your change your motherboard or if it die it is gone .OEM is locked to one computer and so Upgrade of Win10 as you can't transfer the license to another computer system .

    Gedd said:
    MEC4D said:

    You will get free upgrades to the last day your device is running  at not extra charge  ...

    As far as I know, Microsoft never actually confirmed this. Do you have a reference to somewhere where they officially stated this?

     

    All OEM's are like that Cath.  This isn't just a Win 10 thing.  EVERY OEM version of MS I've gotten in the past has that same sort of drivel attached to it.  But when I've changed computers or enough hardware to warrent the system to warm me that my warrenty is no longer valid I've called MS for a new key and have never been denied one! 

     

    I totally get where ya coming from , like i said i had to pay for CC indeisgn even though Adobe would give me the complete CC suite free today( see screen shot) if I would go back & work for them because I left  them on very good terms,. But I rather pay for 1 item I need then go back to California to work..lol    I have a old Dreamweaver & fireworks software when they were Macromedia before Adobe took them over. that I rather use over the the cs5 version because of some of the content is easier to use for me.and it still works great on windows 7.  Its just like even though Daz3a is way out of date and unsupported,  I still use it regularly because of the FX plugins that I have for the daz 3 program  will not work in the new versions of Daz .But still works great in windows 7.  So Older is not always a  bad thing maybe I feel that way because I am old..lol , and I really don't want to take any chance on those working software programs stop working in a upgrade to windows 10 because I need the tools I have for my work as well.

    I think if I remember right Adobe sent me CS5 because  I was working for the Adobe Ambassador Program  back in 2012 after I got Photoshop and Illustrator certified .  I went back and was looking at my account records   . but as you can see  I have been with Adobe a very long time, :) and I the  love people there as well a really super bunch, I still stay in contact with them  Rodger B was the one who suggested i use daz to create some art work i needed I could not accomplish  with Illustrator  and the rest as they say is history :) 

     I would dare say a lot of people and even companies using software like this will stay with a operating system that their software works on rather than take a chance on a system that may kill their productivity. Like you said there is no free lunch..

    Edited for spelling  I am very dyslexic

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  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    That's great Ivy, I still have my very old software also old Dreamweaver & fireworks software  from Macromedia as I used it a lot in the early days when working on web design etc .. 

     

    BTW sneaky M$ tried 15 times to update my system to win10 but failed .. and mostly around 5:00 am in the morning ,  I had to disable the task for that but then they came with a Task trigger update and change permission so only Admin account can change it , by default it is not active but I have my trick to reboot with Administrator so I killed it .. now only waiting for another try .. under my updates history I have over 8 failed attempts 

    The task was like : try everyday in the morning then after noon, or 3 times  per day ... this is ridiculous -lol the trigger was not there yesterday but after windows update yesterday it show up.. very funny

    Ivy said:
    MEC4D said:

    The most case is motherboard , I changed everything in the last 2 years beside motherboard and still everything working,   for SSD I always make a clone so not need new installation , right now my system is on max so I keep it this way for some time and at last 3-4 years for sure 

    I read in the microsoft forum that if you want to upgrade your system to work better with win10 they will give you additional key until next year as well but not for older versions .

    RAMWolff said:
    MEC4D said:
    Microsoft :
    "Windows 7, Windows 8.1, and Windows Phone 8.1 will be able to upgrade to the new operating system for free as long as they do so within one year of Windows 10's launch. Once you’ve claimed the upgrade, it's permanent, and Microsoft will keep you updated for the supported lifetime of the device."
    source : Microsoft website 

     

    It is printed also on each installation of OEM Windows version Disk too unless you run a Win Retail version and an Upgrade as win10 is OEM version  “for the supported lifetime of your device" once your change your motherboard or if it die it is gone .OEM is locked to one computer and so Upgrade of Win10 as you can't transfer the license to another computer system .

    Gedd said:
    MEC4D said:

    You will get free upgrades to the last day your device is running  at not extra charge  ...

    As far as I know, Microsoft never actually confirmed this. Do you have a reference to somewhere where they officially stated this?

     

    All OEM's are like that Cath.  This isn't just a Win 10 thing.  EVERY OEM version of MS I've gotten in the past has that same sort of drivel attached to it.  But when I've changed computers or enough hardware to warrent the system to warm me that my warrenty is no longer valid I've called MS for a new key and have never been denied one! 

     

    I totally get where ya coming from , like i said i had to pay for CC indeisgn even though Adobe would give me the complete CC suite free today( see screen shot) if I would go back & work for them because I left  them on very good terms,. But I rather pay for 1 item I need then go back to California to work..lol    I have a old Dreamweaver & fireworks software when they were Macromedia before Adobe took them over. that I rather use over the the cs5 version because of some of the content is easier to use for me.and it still works great on windows 7.  Its just like even though Daz3a is way out of date and unsupported,  I still use it regularly because of the FX plugins that I have for the daz 3 program  will not work in the new versions of Daz .But still works great in windows 7.  So Older is not always a  bad thing maybe I feel that way because I am old..lol , and I really don't want to take any chance on those working software programs stop working in a upgrade to windows 10 because I need the tools I have for my work as well.

    I think if I remember right Adobe sent me CS5 because  I was working for the Adobe Ambassador Program  back in 2012 after I got Photoshop and Illustrator certified .  I went back and was looking at my account records   . but as you can see  I have been with Adobe a very long time, :) and I the  love people there as well a really super bunch, I still stay in contact with them  Rodger B was the one who suggested i use daz to create some art work i needed I could not accomplish  with Illustrator  and the rest as they say is history :) 

     I would dare say a lot of people and even companies using software like this will stay with a operating system that their software works on rather than take a chance on a system that may kill their productivity

    Edited for spelling  I am very dyslexic

     

  • Joe CotterJoe Cotter Posts: 3,259
    edited August 2015

    That's standard liscencing for OEM version. However, different versions have different liscencing. What was being discussed is the 'free upgrade' version, of which I had not yet seen any official statement by Microsoft on the exact terms of liscensure. I will look for this, a link is always helpful as to where on their site, thanks.

    MEC4D said:
    Microsoft :
    "Windows 7, Windows 8.1, and Windows Phone 8.1 will be able to upgrade to the new operating system for free as long as they do so within one year of Windows 10's launch. Once you’ve claimed the upgrade, it's permanent, and Microsoft will keep you updated for the supported lifetime of the device."
    source : Microsoft website 

     

    It is printed also on each installation of OEM Windows version Disk too unless you run a Win Retail version and an Upgrade as win10 is OEM version  “for the supported lifetime of your device" once your change your motherboard or if it die it is gone .OEM is locked to one computer and so Upgrade of Win10 as you can't transfer the license to another computer system .

    Gedd said:
    MEC4D said:

    You will get free upgrades to the last day your device is running  at not extra charge  ...

    As far as I know, Microsoft never actually confirmed this. Do you have a reference to somewhere where they officially stated this?

     

     

    Post edited by Joe Cotter on
  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    edited August 2015
    MEC4D said:

    That's great Ivy, I still have my very old software also old Dreamweaver & fireworks software  from Macromedia as I used it a lot in the early days when working on web design etc .. 

     

    I got 17 updates yesturday on my big machine 5 of them had to do with windows update compatibiltiy upgrade which I un check and hide , which I could have never done with win10.  My samsung lap top I upgraded to win 10 on and reverted it back to windows 8.1  gets a install win10 update notice every time I start it up.  which I can;t under stand that either because when i went back to window 8.1 on it I used the CD to do a clean install so I should ahve not been getting these update messages ..Pahaps I missed one of those Nag-ware KB thingys when i reverted it back so I'll have to go hunt that down and see if that the case

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  • Joe CotterJoe Cotter Posts: 3,259
    edited August 2015

    I'm not understanding what you are saying here... If the statement about OEMs being dictated to is referring to Microsoft, that is incorrect. Microsoft does not dictate to Samsung, Hitachi, or any of the hardware companies how to make their product. Apple is the only company who sort of does this, and even then, they more 'hand pick' specfic hardware to go into their products rather then dictate..

    As to the variability induced by the number and variance of distros, I would put that it is at the heart of what most defines Linux, both it's strengths and weaknesses. Yes, there is the OpenSource, compile your own etc... but that is intimately entwined with the previous mentioned aspect.

    [Edit] It just occurred to me what you may be inferring. Hardware manufacturers do make their product to comply with the Microsoft OS as to drivers whereas they don't put near as much effort, sometimes none into supporting Linux, Apple being somewhere inbetween here.. but that is because Microsoft is the 900lb Gorrilla in the room. It's not so much Microsoft dictates as the various hardware companies are in the position that if they are going to sell to this very big market, they need to make sure their product works within that space. The fact that Apple's OS is based on OpenBSD, a kissing cousin to Linux means that once they make their drivers available for Apple, it would not be that hard to do so for Linux theoretically, however... that variability thing comes into play again. Apple's core is stable whereas various distros will actually compile the Linux kernal differently, that is, the core is *not* stable. This variability causes much of the hardware issues related to Linux where there is a Linux driver but it gives people problems in different distros. To truly understand this issue, one should go through the process of building a simple Linux distro from the ground up as explained in the Linux From Scratch project. It's very similar to what I used to teach in the beginning portion of my Linux+ classes. (The LFS project doesn't include the later sysadmin material.)

    CompTia founding member/instructor... A+, Linux+, Security+, Server+, Network+, MCSE, RHCT, CCNA, ....

    nDelphi said:
    Gedd said:

    Linux with all of it's distros is in the worst position this way, and a big part of why many software companies won't come out with a Linux version.

    You are talking about a company that has been dictating to OEMs to make the hardware be as specific to their software, no other company comes close. I know exactly what you are trying to say, but it doesn't wash with Microsoft's history in the IBM PC clone market.

    It is just one of Linux's issues, but not the only one.

     

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  • BobvanBobvan Posts: 2,652

    I just took the plunge on my 8 laptop everything seems to pretty well run the same. The only thing I had to do was re install my nvidia driver. I have an image of my 8.1 should I not like it or they want to make me pay later on...

  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,167
    edited August 2015
    Gedd said:
    nDelphi said:
    ... I wanted to find proof where Microsoft restated their position to go with the subscription model. You haven't provided it.

    The point isn't that there is proof they will convert to a subscription model, the point is that Microsoft has still not declared that it "won't" switch to a subscription model, leaving everyone up in the air as to what they will do. Microsoft has been asked continuously what their plans are regarding this and they have dodged the question every time. That leaves many people uncomfortable, and many who take it as an indication that they in fact do intend to go to a subscription model but don't want to say so until the deed is done. Truth is, no one knows but the decision makers at Microsoft, and perhaps not even them at the moment.

     

    I heard Microsoft representatives mention they are moving to a servicing model for Windows 10, does that mean Windows 10 is going to require a subscription?

    No, Windows 10 remains a perpetual license, which means, you can upgrade to Windows 10 and use it forever without it expiring or going into any reduced functional mode.

    source:

    http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/wiki/insider_wintp-insider_install/frequently-asked-questions-windows-10/5c0b9368-a9e8-4238-b1e4-45f4b7ed2fb9

     

    see also

    https://redmondmag.com/articles/2015/04/01/subscription-model.aspx

    http://www.pcgamer.com/microsoft-windows-10-will-not-be-sold-as-a-subscription/

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/2926086/future-windows-10-upgrades-wont-come-with-sneaky-charges-microsoft-clarifies.html

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  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,259

    I prefer Windows 10 to Windows 7

  • BobvanBobvan Posts: 2,652

    So far I like it

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249
    edited August 2015

    Sadly your machine will not last forever and the moment it is done so is your free forever win10 .. simple as that 

    Gedd said:
    nDelphi said:
    ... I wanted to find proof where Microsoft restated their position to go with the subscription model. You haven't provided it.

    The point isn't that there is proof they will convert to a subscription model, the point is that Microsoft has still not declared that it "won't" switch to a subscription model, leaving everyone up in the air as to what they will do. Microsoft has been asked continuously what their plans are regarding this and they have dodged the question every time. That leaves many people uncomfortable, and many who take it as an indication that they in fact do intend to go to a subscription model but don't want to say so until the deed is done. Truth is, no one knows but the decision makers at Microsoft, and perhaps not even them at the moment.

     

    I heard Microsoft representatives mention they are moving to a servicing model for Windows 10, does that mean Windows 10 is going to require a subscription?

    No, Windows 10 remains a perpetual license, which means, you can upgrade to Windows 10 and use it forever without it expiring or going into any reduced functional mode.

    source:

    http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/wiki/insider_wintp-insider_install/frequently-asked-questions-windows-10/5c0b9368-a9e8-4238-b1e4-45f4b7ed2fb9

     

    see also

    https://redmondmag.com/articles/2015/04/01/subscription-model.aspx

    http://www.pcgamer.com/microsoft-windows-10-will-not-be-sold-as-a-subscription/

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/2926086/future-windows-10-upgrades-wont-come-with-sneaky-charges-microsoft-clarifies.html

     

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  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249
    edited August 2015

    As Microsoft Program Manager for Windows Terry Myerson described it :

    This is more than a one-time upgrade: once a Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will continue to keep it current for the supported lifetime of the device –at no additional charge.

     

    I heard Microsoft representatives mention they are moving to a servicing model for Windows 10, does that mean Windows 10 is going to require a subscription?

    No, Windows 10 remains a perpetual license, which means, you can upgrade to Windows 10 and use it forever without it expiring or going into any reduced functional mode. ( forever means as long your device is running )

    Go to Microsoft website and Community , you will have all info you need ... no need speculations 

    Gedd said:

    That's standard liscencing for OEM version. However, different versions have different liscencing. What was being discussed is the 'free upgrade' version, of which I had not yet seen any official statement by Microsoft on the exact terms of liscensure. I will look for this, a link is always helpful as to where on their site, thanks.

    MEC4D said:
    Microsoft :
    "Windows 7, Windows 8.1, and Windows Phone 8.1 will be able to upgrade to the new operating system for free as long as they do so within one year of Windows 10's launch. Once you’ve claimed the upgrade, it's permanent, and Microsoft will keep you updated for the supported lifetime of the device."
    source : Microsoft website 

     

    It is printed also on each installation of OEM Windows version Disk too unless you run a Win Retail version and an Upgrade as win10 is OEM version  “for the supported lifetime of your device" once your change your motherboard or if it die it is gone .OEM is locked to one computer and so Upgrade of Win10 as you can't transfer the license to another computer system .

    Gedd said:
    MEC4D said:

    You will get free upgrades to the last day your device is running  at not extra charge  ...

    As far as I know, Microsoft never actually confirmed this. Do you have a reference to somewhere where they officially stated this?

     

     

     

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  • Joe CotterJoe Cotter Posts: 3,259

    Thank you, that is very helpful for answering one concern I've heard many have over Windows10. I think the overriding one now is Privacy issues as stability/performance issues should work themselves out given a little time.

    I heard Microsoft representatives mention they are moving to a servicing model for Windows 10, does that mean Windows 10 is going to require a subscription?

    No, Windows 10 remains a perpetual license, which means, you can upgrade to Windows 10 and use it forever without it expiring or going into any reduced functional mode.

    source:

    http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/wiki/insider_wintp-insider_install/frequently-asked-questions-windows-10/5c0b9368-a9e8-4238-b1e4-45f4b7ed2fb9

     

    see also

    https://redmondmag.com/articles/2015/04/01/subscription-model.aspx

    http://www.pcgamer.com/microsoft-windows-10-will-not-be-sold-as-a-subscription/

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/2926086/future-windows-10-upgrades-wont-come-with-sneaky-charges-microsoft-clarifies.html

     

  • Joe CotterJoe Cotter Posts: 3,259
    MEC4D said:

    ..forever means as long your device is running...

    Go to Microsoft website and Community , you will have all info you need ... no need speculations

    The part about being tied to the device has traditionally been for the OEM version specifically. If one bought a retail version, it was not tied to the device. They may have changed this with Windows 10 (or not) but as you mentioned, the information can be easily gotten. The bigger issue, that of potential subscription conversion was answered though in that they are not going to the subscription model 'in any of their licensing models' with Windows 10 evidently.

    Thank you for the information. :)

  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,167

    I'm not defending it but I did want to shed some light on that information from what I found.

    in the mean time iViva Ventana Siete! (long live Windows 7!)

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    That why I mentioned OEM as it seems to have exactly the same license as (for the win10 Free upgrade version )  I have retail Core version of win10 and I don't see anything mentioned about what is a different story with my OEM win8.1 pro I purchased 

    and you welcome !

    Gedd said:
    MEC4D said:

    ..forever means as long your device is running...

    Go to Microsoft website and Community , you will have all info you need ... no need speculations

    The part about being tied to the device has traditionally been for the OEM version specifically. If one bought a retail version, it was not tied to the device. They may have changed this with Windows 10 (or not) but as you mentioned, the information can be easily gotten. The bigger issue, that of potential subscription conversion was answered though in that they are not going to the subscription model 'in any of their licensing models' with Windows 10 evidently.

    Thank you for the information. :)

     

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249
    edited August 2015

    That was good info I read it the other day too , I would be completely happy with it if my cards perform the way they should under win10, I was all excited about and also disappointed at the end  .

    My PC score under win10 was 967 for the system ,GPU : 867 frames per second (that is a score of average PC ) , and under win8.1 pro PC score 2036 for the system, GPU : 2037 frames per second , that tell all double power.. I wish it was reversed .. so I am going to give them couple of months to settle down with all the issues .

    I'm not defending it but I did want to shed some light on that information from what I found.

    in the mean time iViva Ventana Siete! (long live Windows 7!)

     

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  • Peter FulfordPeter Fulford Posts: 1,325

     (long live Windows 7!)

    So long as Microsoft enables (or permits sidestepping) activation, Windows 7 will be usable for as long as there is hardware to run it on.

    Best to download all the updates before 2020...

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  • Joe CotterJoe Cotter Posts: 3,259

    I always recommend making a system image either right after purchasing/cleaning out junk/updating if buying a new system or right after install/update of OS if building (activated of course) so that at least on that hardware one can always do a clean install without having to re-activate.

  • BobvanBobvan Posts: 2,652

    Did that for both win 8.1 and win 7 machines. I re activated the upgrade hidden file on my 7 machine ealier since I want to install it on it as well, but its back to "let me know when ready" stage even though was ready to update a few weeks back..

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249
    edited August 2015

    Of course it is back this morning again , very clever of them , it tried to upgrade itself 3 times this morning to win10 again ..  

    Bobvan said:

    Did that for both win 8.1 and win 7 machines. I re activated the upgrade hidden file on my 7 machine ealier since I want to install it on it as well, but its back to "let me know when ready" stage even though was ready to update a few weeks back..

     

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  • SimonJMSimonJM Posts: 5,980

    Not exactly giving my Win 10 laptop a workout as it's a 'backup' machine, but it does contains a few programs that I want/need to use.  Main issues, thus far have been:

    "a new feature has been installed" - yes? Wow ... er, what feature exctly?

    It randomly drops network connection, by turning off the wifi adapter.

    It does not remember my wifi settings (I do not broadcast SSID), but WIn 7 and 8 cope fine with that.

  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,622
    edited August 2015

    Microsoft have moved of from the subtle little icon in the task bar. Today I got a pop-up window on my Windows 7 machine saying Micorsoft recommends that I reserve a Windows 10 upgrade.

    I've got Windows 10 on a convertable tablet/laptop machine. The only problem I've found with it is that it won't shut down (I have to use the power button to switch off) and if I put it into sleep mode it won't wake up. I haven't had any problems with drivers, but it hasn't got a very good graphics card anyway. I'll haven't tried Studio, Carrrara or Bryce on it yet. I'll give them a go soon, it's not a very high performance machine but it should be able to run them.

     

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  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249
    edited August 2015

    You can hide the icon from your task bar and set to only notification also turn off Windows updates notification and it will not bother your on your desktop , but also it will bother you in Action Center so you can set turn off Update notification in Action Center , still even if you disable win10 upgrade under Task Manager / Microsoft/Setup it will try to download and update at it self but at last will not bother on the Desktop as it is annoying .  

    Check the power functions for the other issues and change settings 

     

    Microsoft have moved of from the subtle little icon in the task bar. Today I got a pop-up window on my Windows 7 machine saying Micorsoft recommends that I reserve a Windows 10 upgrade.

    I've got Windows 10 on a convertable tablet/laptop machine. The only problem I've found with it is that it won't shut down (I have to use the power button to switch off) and if I put it into sleep mode it won't wake up. I haven't had any problems with drivers, but it hasn't got a very good graphics card anyway. I'll haven't tried Studio, Carrrara or Bryce on it yet. I'll give them a go soon, it's not a very high performance machine but it should be able to run them.

     

     

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  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    Wifi turns off because of power settings , you need access hidden power settings to set it no matter what version , Balanced power setting will turn off the Network devices from time to time and decrace perfomance of CPU and GPU 

    SimonJM said:

    Not exactly giving my Win 10 laptop a workout as it's a 'backup' machine, but it does contains a few programs that I want/need to use.  Main issues, thus far have been:

    "a new feature has been installed" - yes? Wow ... er, what feature exctly?

    It randomly drops network connection, by turning off the wifi adapter.

    It does not remember my wifi settings (I do not broadcast SSID), but WIn 7 and 8 cope fine with that.

     

  • BobvanBobvan Posts: 2,652
    edited August 2015

    Cath I also had those "failed attempts" when I had the icon turned off & hidden. I find it amusing that when I am wiling tp update my desktop I have to wait LOL! My laptop instantly booted up this morning and does run faster with 10. I tried to quickly fire up an iray render (no settings just a character) hard to say if there was a delay since I luxrender which runs the same...

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