Windows 10 - It's heeerrre! and it's free for some

MEC4D

Of course it will run faster after new installation when the registry is nice clean and not clumped , my win8.1 pro fresh installation improved a lot  compared to old installation , got rid of old not used software I hoarding  over the time thinking  I will need it later and other stuff so it run as new again . I did not noticed anything faster with win10, I was more interested in DirectX12  but it failed in my case as I mentioned yesterday with my PC score 

Bobvan said:

Cath I also had those "failed attempts" when I had the icon turned off & hidden. I find it amusing that when I am wiling tp update my desktop I have to wait LOL! My laptop instantly booted up this morning and does run faster with 10. I tried to quickly fire up an iray render (no settings just a character) hard to say if there was a delay since I luxrender which runs the same...

 

Bobvan

Actually I just upgraded finally I think my guy was too lazy in the end he suggest I try updating. The jump to lux when one fires it up without anything heavy is instant...

Mind you I only have the laptop less then 8 weeks

SnowPheonix

I will again put out a reminder... don't update to windows 10.  Don't take my advice... listen to the tech writer for the number one finicial publication in the U.S. who says that the forced updates are crashing computers.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/08/17/windows-10-new-crash-loops/

It says, "

The direct result of forced updates is home users become guinea pigs as they cannot delay updates for as long as Pro versions and Windows 10 Enterprise is the only version which can stop them altogether.

Microsoft actually admits as much, promoting this feature to business customers in a blog post:

“By the time Current branch for Business machines are updated, the changes will have been validated by millions of Insiders, consumers and customers’ internal test processes for several months, allowing updates to be deployed with this increased assurance of validation,” explained Microsoft director of program management Jim Alkove in a little read Windows blog post in January.

Yes that’s a pretty blunt admission of Microsoft’s Windows 10 priorities: consumers can be testers for businesses. Which shows Windows 10 may be free, but it comes with a different kind of cost to the end users."

Hope this helps. :)

 

bigh

SnowPheonix said:

I will again put out a reminder... don't update to windows 10.  Don't take my advice... listen to the tech writer for the number one finicial publication in the U.S. who says that the forced updates are crashing computers.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/08/17/windows-10-new-crash-loops/
 

stuff it !

Peter Fulford

Bobvan said:

 I have an image of my 8.1 should I not like it or they want to make me pay later on...

 

Don't forget, you only have a month after upgrading to Windows10 to roll back. After that period you can't roll back because they will have cancelled your serial / activation for your previous version.

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Bobvan

That's M$ for ya

fixmypcmike

Bobvan said:

That's M$ for ya

Pretty much any company will do that -- if you get a new Poser version as an upgrade, the serial no longer works for the old version, AFAIK.

kyoto kid

bigh said:

kyoto kid said:

bigh said:

kyoto kid said:

..letsee 2 bad Nvidia updates that overwrote the existing ones and caused serious issues for a lot of users, and in the span of just a couple weeks?  I consider that a pretty bad track record especially since the bloody thing has barely got ourt of the gate.

Doesn't make me confident in the "nanny" who thinks they know what's better for my system than myself (who also built it by the way).

heck if you want by that you wouldn't use any of Daz software .

but you are !

...a single programme and an OS are two different things.

Daz isn't forcing me to accept updates, I can stop at any time.  If I do update and something doesn't work right, I can file a support ticket, and if it really causes major issues I can always roll back to the previous version just by uninstalling the suspect version and loading the older installer from my archive into the DIM.  True, any scenes I started in the newer edition won't open but once a proper fix is issued I can then go back to them as well as open and work on any scenes I created during the rollback.  Furthermore, a bug in Daz studio is unique to that software and doesn't affect any other programmes I use.

Also, Daz studio does not load device drivers and security updates on my system. The only process it affects is the CMS which is unique to it and Carrara.

With MS and Win10 it is a totally different story. Let's say, just for argument's sake, they force yet another faulty Nvidia driver update that creates a conflict resulting in a BSOD after boot up (three's a charm).  Not only is Daz Studio affected, but everything else my system as well.  Oh I can reset my system to an earlier time (losing whatever work I had done during that period) only to have Auto Update start the whole mess all over again when time "catches up" and I have to go through the whole routine again, and again until MS gets ir right as I cannot defer the update, nor can I choose not to accept it (I have 7 home edition which would mean I'd get 10 home edition). I'm in this by the skin of my teeth, I cannot simply drop 199$ on a commercial copy of 10 Pro (which while it does let me defer, still does not permit rejection of unwanted/unneeded updates).

To roll back an OS is no where near as simple as doing so with a single programme. I don't have to do a full system backup and pull out my Win7 install disk and set everything up from scratch again, just to roll back to Daz 4.7 if I so chose.

It basically comes down to a bug in Daz may be annoying or frustrating, while a bug in Windows can be crippling if not critical to the system.

thats not all ways true about Daz software

just ask those who update ( say Carrara ) then try to use the

old version - its doesn't work like it used to .

believe me we were not happy .

same with DS - if you want the to use the new models they don't work

if you don't have the news version of DS .

and they don't work at all in Carrara .

and I think you can turn off updates in windows 10 if you want to .

like I said before 10 works fine for me .

...you can only completely turn off and reject updates if you have the Enterprise version.

As to Daz softare, True if you roll back to say 3.1 or 2.3. However, if you roll back to 4.7 from 4.8 you can still use newer content, save for anything that is specifically made for Iray like shader sets and lights. Daz had not abandoned 3DL.

For Carrara yes it is a bit different as 8.5 supports the G2 while 8.1 only supported Genesis. That said, you couldn't use G2, but you should still be able to use Genesis or the older generation figures as well as any other content Daz or Carrara if you rolled back to 8.1

kyoto kid

Ivy said:

MEC4D said:

$699 PSCC6 +Lightroom $149  year cost with Adobe cloud I am subscribed too is $119.88 so I will have to pay 7 years to equal the full package so it is cheap if you use it to work with and not just for hobby 

The price for Adobe CS6 Master Collection for Windows Full Retail Edition is $2.899 now go and pay separate for each Master Collection future version it will cost you a lot more in the end as there are not lifetime upgrades included .

Gedd said:

? ... Not a for/against subscriptions services point here but rather trying to keep facts straight... The monthly subscription rate is $50 for the full package which = $600 year... The last price I saw to purchase the Master Collection when it was still new was well into the thousands, close to $4k U.S. in fact. Since one can only get it through 3d party software companies now, much of which is grey market, and it is years old, one can't compare the 'cheep' prices one finds on the net as a vaild comparison for pricing. Grey market goods do have their own hidden costs which I won't go into.

Ivy said:

I'm interested in knowing. Do you use Adobe products? are you using creative cloud or creative suite?  Do you know after one years time paying for all the creative cloud serves  you would have paid them enough for the stand alone master collection creative suite cs6,

 

I love adobe software been using them back when they were macromedia..  I paid $1099 for my cs4 master collection with a 45% off because I was a existing customer, updating  with the early adopter special offer. the master collection at the time was going for $1899US for Creative suite CS4  and Adobe sent me CS5  later when cs5 came out so they sent me a free upgrade on disk ina green box.  I forget the reason why now. But I own those software on disk forever

 Creative cloud cost are varied on what you buy. but the plans start at 19.99 a month for individuals (apps).  I paid $200 for Indesign cc (App), and I did it for the 1 year pre paid subscription.  because I had got a 20% discount that way. and only because i was an existing customer and I had a cs product over version cs3 .. which I had 2 of them cs4 & cs5 . I donno if I will get that same price when my subscription up .but i definitely don't own it for ever. The problem I had was  indesign cs5 lacks some support items i need for Jquery thats the only reason I got it. everything else I do,  i still use in my creative suite5  Mostly dreamweaver and photoshop.

 To be honest owning  the Creative suite software which adobe me sent the disks for.  was much easier than dealing with a cloud base service for a product that requires you to be attached to the internet for all the bells and whistle. plus the fact after the year subscription up so is my (App)  which stand for Application compared to a software program..  But I can say adobe has been very good with their Online support for the cloud issue i have had , which have mostly been connection issues because of some windows up dates or something on their end when they were updating things.    I think owning a house is much better than renting one. 

Edited for spelling so you could read it..lol

...so to use the CC version of Photoshop, you have to be online at the same time? In that case, looks like it's back to scraping up 700$ for a perpetual licence as that takes extra processor and memory resources away.

kyoto kid

StratDragon said:

I'm not defending it but I did want to shed some light on that information from what I found.

in the mean time iViva Ventana Siete! (long live Windows 7!)

...

kyoto kid

Peter Fulford said:

Bobvan said:

 I have an image of my 8.1 should I not like it or they want to make me pay later on...

 

Don't forget, you only have a month after upgrading to Windows10 to roll back. After that period you can't roll back because they will have cancelled your serial / activation for your previous version.

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...thank you for the bit of info.

Sieben Uber Alles!

thd777

kyoto kid said:

...so to use the CC version of Photoshop, you have to be online at the same time? In that case, looks like it's back to scraping up 700$ for a perpetual licence as that takes extra processor and memory resources away.

No, you do not need to be online to use the CC verions of Adobe. They only need to periodically verify your subscriptiuon status (every couple of month or so, if I recall correctly). Otherwise they run offline (with exception of the cloud storage and content exchange features of copurse). I have the full CC programn suite on Macbook Pro and use them offline all the time.

TD

kyoto kid

...thank you.  Looking at the CC version to get used to working with PS again (last time I used it was the 3.0 - 4.0 days).

MEC4D

My win10 tablet run pretty good after update from win 8.1 much faster than before , it run full windows version just 32 bits and Intel GPU so no Iray usable just with 3Delight only funny thing I see under account setting is restore back to win7 lol there was never win7 installed on this tablet , anyway I need to find a way to remove the Windows Old folder as it take too much space as my system HD is just 64GB , I don't run any programs on my table;t beside apps so I think it is safe to remove manually  

Bobvan

It was still asking for me to wait so I pushed the update on the PC tower went really smooth

bicc39

MEC4D said:

My win10 tablet run pretty good after update from win 8.1 much faster than before , it run full windows version just 32 bits and Intel GPU so no Iray usable just with 3Delight only funny thing I see under account setting is restore back to win7 lol there was never win7 installed on this tablet , anyway I need to find a way to remove the Windows Old folder as it take too much space as my system HD is just 64GB , I don't run any programs on my table;t beside apps so I think it is safe to remove manually  

http://blog.laptopmag.com/delete-windows-old-folder

 

RAMWolff

Thanks for the link to removing the Windows.old folder. YAY...

I think they worked on the forums again, I just had to sign in and it actually took me back here rather than my account page.  YAY! 

Bobvan

Did the same happy with it so far & I have the image files..

MEC4D

bicc39 said:

MEC4D said:

My win10 tablet run pretty good after update from win 8.1 much faster than before , it run full windows version just 32 bits and Intel GPU so no Iray usable just with 3Delight only funny thing I see under account setting is restore back to win7 lol there was never win7 installed on this tablet , anyway I need to find a way to remove the Windows Old folder as it take too much space as my system HD is just 64GB , I don't run any programs on my table;t beside apps so I think it is safe to remove manually  

http://blog.laptopmag.com/delete-windows-old-folder

 

Thanks got extra 16GB back :)

StratDragon

Windows 10 SP1 is due out October of this year. I will wait until then.

IceCrMn

back in 2004 I looked at LFS when I was looking for a source based distro.I decided to go with Gentoo because it automated a lot of the common tasks inherent to such distros (downloading source files, configuring them, compiling, and installing). The "portage" package system makes it fairly easy for even the non-programmer.I like being able to type "emerge ati-drivers" into a console and having portage take care of the rest :) .

I do agree with you that learning a source based distro does give much insight into how a computer and software works.It's made figuring out Windows issues vastly simpler.

I had an issue with an old Windows install not long ago where it wouldn't boot.I kept getting an error saying boot.ini was missing or corrupt and then it would get stuck in a reboot loop.Had I not had the experience that gentoo gave me, I would have been stuck trying to re-install an OEM OS install.To fix it, all I had to do was reboot with my Gentoo install CD, make an empy file called boot.ini in a text editor on the root of the Window install and reboot.Windows started and ran just fine, and that XP pro system is still running to this day :). It doesn't get updates anymore so it doesn't get to go on the internet, but I still use it to play older games.

Robert Freise

Was talking with nephew last night he's on the windows insider team he said that he's had to use the command line in Win 10 more than he does in Linux even with the public release version of 10

Ivy

I don't or have any interest in using windows 10 . I have my own reasons for it and could careless if someone else uses it or not I have no dog in the race.

 But in my reading on the internet  today I came across a interesting cheat for a secrets start menu option some of you may already know about it some may not

but if you interested you can read the article yourself and judge if it is helpful or not to you. ~ Peace out

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/windows-10-has-a-secret-start-menu-heres-how-to-127237900404.html

MEC4D

The "Secret" menu is here since win8  , for touch screens just hold it little longer to show up , for mouse right click on the windows icon , I don't see what so secret about lol

I enjoy win10 on my win tablet and it the fall for sure upgrading my phone to win10, on my workstation I am keeping win8.1 pro as long I can as it run like on butter :) nothing else needed .

jag11

HU: Nvidia has rolled out yet another WHQL driver update specifically targeted at Windows 10 systems. I don't know if it targets some reported issues.

RAMWolff

COOL.  Thanks for the heads up!

Bobvan

I upgraded my 3 machines. I had a bit of hard time with my 5 yr old i7 which uses a dual vid card switcher for the intel and AMD vard. Since I only use it for web surfing and playing media files, I removed the AMD driver which was causing it to take an extreme long time to load up and wake up. Fixed the problem. On the new asus rog laptop it had a driver error every so often I am hoping the updated nvidia driver resolves this..