Windows 10 - It's heeerrre! and it's free for some

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  • Robert FreiseRobert Freise Posts: 4,440

    I've been told that WINE has been improved and will run most Windows programs know

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,212
    acanthis said:

    Last night I had a four hour render trashed by Microsoft's new Mandatory Updates policy. Even though DS was rendering in iRay, M$ decided to reboot the machine to install important updates - probably a new start screen picture or something. This was my own fault for not changing the default (the one that effectively allows M$ to reboot your machine whenever they feel like it) but it was still extremely irritating.

    Actually, forced reboots is nothing new with Windows and it's not the first time that I have had the Microsoft corporation ruining a piece of work because they thought it was important to make changes to my machine regardless of what it was doing.

    Remember to go to Settings -> Windows Update -> Advanced Settings and set the option to install updates to "Notify to Schedule Reboot", otherwise you too will find a multi-billion dollar corporation rebooting your machine in the middle of whatever work you're doing just because they know what's best for you smiley

    Settings?  I go to the Control Panel and the Windows Update shortcut is no longer there.  I can't find "Settings" help! 

  • nDelphinDelphi Posts: 1,861
    RAMWolff said:
    acanthis said:
    Remember to go to Settings -> Windows Update -> Advanced Settings and set the option to install updates to "Notify to Schedule Reboot", otherwise you too will find a multi-billion dollar corporation rebooting your machine in the middle of whatever work you're doing just because they know what's best for you smiley

    Settings?  I go to the Control Panel and the Windows Update shortcut is no longer there.  I can't find "Settings" help! 

    You have to go to Start>Settings not Start>Control Panel.

  • Ghosty12Ghosty12 Posts: 2,058
    RAMWolff said:
    acanthis said:

    Last night I had a four hour render trashed by Microsoft's new Mandatory Updates policy. Even though DS was rendering in iRay, M$ decided to reboot the machine to install important updates - probably a new start screen picture or something. This was my own fault for not changing the default (the one that effectively allows M$ to reboot your machine whenever they feel like it) but it was still extremely irritating.

    Actually, forced reboots is nothing new with Windows and it's not the first time that I have had the Microsoft corporation ruining a piece of work because they thought it was important to make changes to my machine regardless of what it was doing.

    Remember to go to Settings -> Windows Update -> Advanced Settings and set the option to install updates to "Notify to Schedule Reboot", otherwise you too will find a multi-billion dollar corporation rebooting your machine in the middle of whatever work you're doing just because they know what's best for you smiley

    Settings?  I go to the Control Panel and the Windows Update shortcut is no longer there.  I can't find "Settings" help! 

    Use the search web and windows section in your taskbar and type in update or windows update and you will see windows update settings under settings.. Or see the pic below.. :)

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  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,212
    nDelphi said:
    RAMWolff said:
    acanthis said:
    Remember to go to Settings -> Windows Update -> Advanced Settings and set the option to install updates to "Notify to Schedule Reboot", otherwise you too will find a multi-billion dollar corporation rebooting your machine in the middle of whatever work you're doing just because they know what's best for you smiley

    Settings?  I go to the Control Panel and the Windows Update shortcut is no longer there.  I can't find "Settings" help! 

    You have to go to Start>Settings not Start>Control Panel.

    I had Stardocks Start8 installed.  Once I uninstalled it then the real menu showed after reboot so got that taken care of.  Silly me.  lol I wonder if Stardock is going to fix up Start8 to include some of the new features of the new start menu like that shortcut?  Would be nice.  I like Start8 just fine!

  • nDelphinDelphi Posts: 1,861
    edited August 2015
    RAMWolff said:
    nDelphi said:

    You have to go to Start>Settings not Start>Control Panel.

    I had Stardocks Start8 installed.  Once I uninstalled it then the real menu showed after reboot so got that taken care of.  Silly me.  lol I wonder if Stardock is going to fix up Start8 to include some of the new features of the new start menu like that shortcut?  Would be nice.  I like Start8 just fine!

    I use Start Is Back. They have a new Windows 10 version. Start8 does not? Windows 10 has been around for awhile now, they should have been using it in the beta stage.

    Update: Nevermind, they actually have Start10 now.

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  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,212

    Well I guess I best get over there and get my updates!  lol

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460

    I've been told that WINE has been improved and will run most Windows programs know

    Interesting, this could be worth looking into...

    CHEERS!

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,036

    ...MS is getting sneaky at trying to push the Win10 update on users.

    I found update KB2952664 (was back, not only in "Important Updates" but "Optional Updates" as well (listed twice). The update is listed as "Compatibility update for upgrading Windows 7" was originally a patch for Win7 to make it easier to perform in-place upgrades to Windows 8.1, but looks like it has been reissued to ease the transition to 10 as well.

    Also received another update KB3064209 which deals with installing 10 on systems with an Intel G3258 CPU (Intel Pentium Haswell Dual-Core CPU).  The details of the update include the message "Improves the reliability of the processor and Windows may not function correctly without it." Many reported that the update (issued on June 15th) caused Win7 systems to fail to boot properly forcing them to roll back though system restore.

    Finally there is KB3075851 labelled as "an update that contains some improvements to Windows Update Client in Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1) and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1. This update also resolves an issue in which certain Windows Update operations fail when you install on Windows 7 Embedded editions."

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,036

    I've been told that WINE has been improved and will run most Windows programs know

    ..is there an article on this?  Would be a nice fallback if MS starts becoming even more insistent about getting users to move to 10.

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,048
    edited August 2015

    I also just found out the "Free" software is only good for 1 yr. After which, you have to pay $199.00

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  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,212
    frank0314 said:

    I also just found out the "Free" software is only good for 1 yr. After which, you have to pay $199.00

    You mean after a year we will all have to pay MS $199.99?  I thought that this upgrade was good for the life of the computer?

  • BobvanBobvan Posts: 2,652

    The guy at work who is willing to do a clean install for me told me that I would have to pay M$ after one year. Kim Commando also mentions this. I may skip it alltogether. In past versions if one purchased a PC a short time prior to a new Win release one was to upgrade for free. I purchased my laptop 6 to 8 weeks ago and would have to pay for Win?

  • frank0314 said:

    I also just found out the "Free" software is only good for 1 yr. After which, you have to pay $199.00

    It has been stated (by MS, in some of the threads linked earlier) that it is free for the lifetime of the device - but the free upgrade offer closes after a year, if you miss that you have to pay for an upgrade. Where are you seeing something different?

  • MEC4D said:

    I tested everything, my both graphic cards everything working as expected beside in DS , adding second card for rendering in Photoreal mode incrase the speed just 10 second faster no matter a cube or 1 or 5 genesis, the difference in speed between selected 1 or 2 cards is 10 sec exactly .

    The Interactive mode engaged the GPU straight away to 100% the iray viewport spin as fast as OpenGL without one noise as before no issues , the Photoreal mode engaged the GPU to 100% after 10-15 second in Iray viewport or rendering . That is not what was before , before it clean the noise after 2 second and GPU was on 100% straight away .. there is huge drag response and the rendering time speed is 80% less than before when using second GPU and even slower when adding CPU on top .

    When rendering small scene like simple cube the rendering time with 1 or 2 cards make no difference as the second card engage 2 second after the first card finish already render .. and trully this sucks

    The fact that the interactive mode working exactly as before with the same speed is even more mystery , means Iray in Photoreal mode have problems with the new Nvidia driver and second card under win10

     

    Please report this.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,036
    Bobvan said:

    The guy at work who is willing to do a clean install for me told me that I would have to pay M$ after one year. Kim Commando also mentions this. I may skip it alltogether. In past versions if one purchased a PC a short time prior to a new Win release one was to upgrade for free. I purchased my laptop 6 to 8 weeks ago and would have to pay for Win?

    ...I've been reading reports about this as well. 

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460

    First I've heard about that, all I know is what Richard mentioned. I'd question anything other than official word from Microsoft.

    CHEERS!

  • jag11jag11 Posts: 885

    Well maybe there are more than one free Windows 10 upgrade. I'm glad I've picked the one that's really free and not the one you have to pay $199 after a year and then being forced to pay a subscription. LOL.

  • Robert FreiseRobert Freise Posts: 4,440
    edited August 2015
    kyoto kid said:

    I've been told that WINE has been improved and will run most Windows programs know

    ..is there an article on this?  Would be a nice fallback if MS starts becoming even more insistent about getting users to move to 10.

    I belive I read that on one of tne Ubuntu sites

    Here's a link from WineHQ

    https://appdb.winehq.org/

    3d apps list

    https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?bIsQueue=false&bIsRejected=false&sClass=application&sTitle=Browse+Applications&iItemsPerPage=25&iPage=1&sOrderBy=appName&bAscending=true

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  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,212

    I think folks are misreading things again.  It was similar to what happened around the sharing your password thing which was debunked by some one that explained things more clearly! 

  • nDelphinDelphi Posts: 1,861
    edited August 2015
    RAMWolff said:

    I think folks are misreading things again.  It was similar to what happened around the sharing your password thing which was debunked by some one that explained things more clearly! 

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-faq

    I think someone took the you have until July, 2016 to upgrade for free with you have until July, 2016 to use Windows 10 for free.

    As far as that password sharing feature? That's a tragedy waiting to happen. In my opinion.

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    kyoto kid said:

    I've been told that WINE has been improved and will run most Windows programs know

    ..is there an article on this?  Would be a nice fallback if MS starts becoming even more insistent about getting users to move to 10.

    I belive I read that on one of tne Ubuntu sites

    Here's a link from WineHQ

    https://appdb.winehq.org/

    3d apps list

    https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?bIsQueue=false&bIsRejected=false&sClass=application&sTitle=Browse+Applications&iItemsPerPage=25&iPage=1&sOrderBy=appName&bAscending=true

    Mmm, it runs Photoshop CS2. If it runs DS, Blender, Sculptris and Apache Open Office I might seriously consider it...

    CHEERS!

     

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,036
    edited August 2015

    ...Robert, thanks. According to their DB, the latest version of Studio is 4.7.0.12. The 64 bit version has received  "garbage" rating. Nothing for 4.8 yet.  Seems compatibility also fluctuates greatly with every new release of Wine.

    Yeah, it's about time for Daz to consider offering Linux versions of their software considering how heavy handed MS has become.

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  • jag11jag11 Posts: 885

    DAZ Studio was built using QT, and QT works on OSX, Windows and Linux. But supporting that platform requires more than just recompiling, requires Linux experts and marry with one of the Linux branches, be it RedHat, Ubuntu, etc. I don't know if the render engines 3DL and Iray are ported to linux platforms also.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,036

    ...3DL (at least the standalone) is available for Linux, as is LuxRender. For now Iray will only be compatible with Linux on the server level, not individual workstation.  That may change.

  • nDelphi said:
    RAMWolff said:
    acanthis said:
    Remember to go to Settings -> Windows Update -> Advanced Settings and set the option to install updates to "Notify to Schedule Reboot", otherwise you too will find a multi-billion dollar corporation rebooting your machine in the middle of whatever work you're doing just because they know what's best for you smiley

    Settings?  I go to the Control Panel and the Windows Update shortcut is no longer there.  I can't find "Settings" help! 

    You have to go to Start>Settings not Start>Control Panel.

    Start>Control Panel still works if you use Classic Shell.  Yes, even under Windows 10.

  • kyoto kid said:

    ...Robert, thanks. According to their DB, the latest version of Studio is 4.7.0.12. The 64 bit version has received  "garbage" rating. Nothing for 4.8 yet.  Seems compatibility also fluctuates greatly with every new release of Wine.

    Yeah, it's about time for Daz to consider offering Linux versions of their software considering how heavy handed MS has become.

    Probably won't happen in our lifetimes.

    The ecosystem doesn't exist for full support.  Think about it; code has to be recompiled (and probably even re-engineered), installers would have to change, and that would mean a rewrite of DIM too.  And we have tons of people here who will resist DIM at all costs anyway, so they'll just stick with Windows version of DS.  And then those who use the bridge between DS and Hex/etc.  I doubt DAZ will ever release a new version of Hex, Carrara, or Bryce not even under Windows (where the old versions still work today), so forget it about it for Linux.  There is Blender for modelling, but a lot of people resist that because it's "too confusing".  And then there's the whole Photoshop side of it.  If a Linux alternative doesn't exist (I'm not thinking of Gimp as a "real" solution long-term), then people would be forced to reboot to use Photoshop (or alternative) in Windows, then reboot back to Linux to continue their DS work.  They'll just say "forget it", kind of like I just now did at the thought of this. 

    Linux version would die a long, slow (but very permanent) death.

    Finally, a Linux version would double the development, testing, troubleshooting, and bugfix costs going forward forever, because both Windows and Linux would have to be maintained.  DAZ doesn't charge for DAZ Studio, so they would receive no revenue from a Linux version.

    In my opinion, the ecosystem for Linux is not nearly adequate at this time for DAZ Studio.  No infrastructure/ecosystem = no way for linux.

  • nDelphinDelphi Posts: 1,861

    Start>Control Panel still works if you use Classic Shell.  Yes, even under Windows 10.

    I am sure. I have access to Control Panel as well, and I don't even use Classic Shell. In any case, I went with the basics, I had no idea he was even using Start8.

  • IceCrMnIceCrMn Posts: 2,129

    I wouldn't think a rewrite would be needed.I have DIM running on my Gentoo install.I havent gotten Studio running yet, but thats mostly my fault.I've been getting a bit lazy ( I'm on vacation :)  )

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,036
    edited August 2015
    kyoto kid said:

    ...Robert, thanks. According to their DB, the latest version of Studio is 4.7.0.12. The 64 bit version has received  "garbage" rating. Nothing for 4.8 yet.  Seems compatibility also fluctuates greatly with every new release of Wine.

    Yeah, it's about time for Daz to consider offering Linux versions of their software considering how heavy handed MS has become.

    Probably won't happen in our lifetimes.

    The ecosystem doesn't exist for full support.  Think about it; code has to be recompiled (and probably even re-engineered), installers would have to change, and that would mean a rewrite of DIM too.  And we have tons of people here who will resist DIM at all costs anyway, so they'll just stick with Windows version of DS.  And then those who use the bridge between DS and Hex/etc.  I doubt DAZ will ever release a new version of Hex, Carrara, or Bryce not even under Windows (where the old versions still work today), so forget it about it for Linux.  There is Blender for modelling, but a lot of people resist that because it's "too confusing".  And then there's the whole Photoshop side of it.  If a Linux alternative doesn't exist (I'm not thinking of Gimp as a "real" solution long-term), then people would be forced to reboot to use Photoshop (or alternative) in Windows, then reboot back to Linux to continue their DS work.  They'll just say "forget it", kind of like I just now did at the thought of this. 

    Linux version would die a long, slow (but very permanent) death.

    Finally, a Linux version would double the development, testing, troubleshooting, and bugfix costs going forward forever, because both Windows and Linux would have to be maintained.  DAZ doesn't charge for DAZ Studio, so they would receive no revenue from a Linux version.

    In my opinion, the ecosystem for Linux is not nearly adequate at this time for DAZ Studio.  No infrastructure/ecosystem = no way for linux.

    ...which means that MS has us all by the "you know whats" and can dictate whatever terms they want. Appears I'll have to either come into a big pile of money to go the "proprietary" Mac route (and hope I can get Nvidia GPUs instead of AMD) or get myself registered as a business so I can qualify for the Enterprise edition.of 10 that will allow me the freedom to call the shots like I currently can in 7. 

    Some of us actually do have the savvy to check and research updates before we choose to download them instead of being spoon fed by a company that thinks it knows better and "assumes" we know nothing. The whole mandatory auto update situation is a huge backstep on MS's part as is having to disable a bunch of useless bloatware like Cortana and Edge (which cannot be uninstalled as I understand). Sad too that you still need a third party solution to get a "classic" start menu and UI.

    From what I am hearing and reading, 10 is beginning to make 8.1 almost sound good.

     

    ...my two zł worth.

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