Windows 10 - It's heeerrre! and it's free for some

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  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,622
    icecrmn said:

    I wouldn't think a rewrite would be needed.I have DIM running on my Gentoo install.I havent gotten Studio running yet, but thats mostly my fault.I've been getting a bit lazy ( I'm on vacation :)  )

    The rewrite would be needed for a native Linux version, one that doesn't need Wine to run. And it probably would be a major job so I doubt it it will happen, but we can always wish.

  • IceCrMnIceCrMn Posts: 2,129
    icecrmn said:

    I wouldn't think a rewrite would be needed.I have DIM running on my Gentoo install.I havent gotten Studio running yet, but thats mostly my fault.I've been getting a bit lazy ( I'm on vacation :)  )

    The rewrite would be needed for a native Linux version, one that doesn't need Wine to run. And it probably would be a major job so I doubt it it will happen, but we can always wish.

    Yeah,most likely.I noticed they both used QT4 so I was thinking that it would be possible with just changes to the MS specific parts.I don't know much about writting software, so I really don't know what would be involved it such a project.I'm with you though,,we can wish.Oh well,,,I will use Windows for Studio and friends, and continue to use Gentoo for everything else.I don't mind a reboot to get between them.My system cold boots to a desktop in about 4 seconds thanks to the new SSD drives, so it's not a very long wait.

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    how you can pay $199 when the retailer win10 home cost $119  ( beside you go for pro)  I am not native english speaker but it is not hard to understand that if you DON'T upgrade your system for free until next year you will have to pay for it if you still want to have new system upgraded next year ..   the free software upgrade  is good until your device give up and not for one year , I purchased new win10 key so I can always reinstall it if something happen in the future as usual I do every 2-3 years anyway

     

     

    frank0314 said:

    I also just found out the "Free" software is only good for 1 yr. After which, you have to pay $199.00

     

  • nDelphinDelphi Posts: 1,861
    MEC4D said:

    how you can pay $199 when the retailer win10 home cost $119  ( beside you go for pro)  I am not native english speaker but it is not hard to understand

    That's the way I see it. This free version of Windows 10 is just a reprieve for me until I build a new system, at which time I will have to purchase a Windows 10 license. Besides, you can still get in touch with Microsoft if you make a drastic change, such as the motherboard, and they should allow you the free license, this according to the Windows 10 FAQ.

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    The reason I purchased new key is that my old ssd was corrupted it had problems for some time anyway so I want to get rid of it and replace it anyway with bigger capacities , but now I made 2 clones , so if this one get down I have the other without purchasing another key or new instalation just for emergency situation for the future.

    nDelphi said:
    MEC4D said:

    how you can pay $199 when the retailer win10 home cost $119  ( beside you go for pro)  I am not native english speaker but it is not hard to understand

    That's the way I see it. This free version of Windows 10 is just a reprieve for me until I build a new system, at which time I will have to purchase a Windows 10 license. Besides, you can still get in touch with Microsoft if you make a drastic change, such as the motherboard, and they should allow you the free license, this according to the Windows 10 FAQ.

     

  • acanthisacanthis Posts: 604
    edited August 2015
    kyoto kid said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...Robert, thanks. According to their DB, the latest version of Studio is 4.7.0.12. The 64 bit version has received  "garbage" rating. Nothing for 4.8 yet.  Seems compatibility also fluctuates greatly with every new release of Wine.

    Yeah, it's about time for Daz to consider offering Linux versions of their software considering how heavy handed MS has become.

    Probably won't happen in our lifetimes.

    The ecosystem doesn't exist for full support.  Think about it; code has to be recompiled (and probably even re-engineered), installers would have to change, and that would mean a rewrite of DIM too.  And we have tons of people here who will resist DIM at all costs anyway, so they'll just stick with Windows version of DS.  And then those who use the bridge between DS and Hex/etc.  I doubt DAZ will ever release a new version of Hex, Carrara, or Bryce not even under Windows (where the old versions still work today), so forget it about it for Linux.  There is Blender for modelling, but a lot of people resist that because it's "too confusing".  And then there's the whole Photoshop side of it.  If a Linux alternative doesn't exist (I'm not thinking of Gimp as a "real" solution long-term), then people would be forced to reboot to use Photoshop (or alternative) in Windows, then reboot back to Linux to continue their DS work.  They'll just say "forget it", kind of like I just now did at the thought of this. 

    Linux version would die a long, slow (but very permanent) death.

    Finally, a Linux version would double the development, testing, troubleshooting, and bugfix costs going forward forever, because both Windows and Linux would have to be maintained.  DAZ doesn't charge for DAZ Studio, so they would receive no revenue from a Linux version.

    In my opinion, the ecosystem for Linux is not nearly adequate at this time for DAZ Studio.  No infrastructure/ecosystem = no way for linux.

    ...which means that MS has us all by the "you know whats" and can dictate whatever terms they want. Appears I'll have to either come into a big pile of money to go the "proprietary" Mac route (and hope I can get Nvidia GPUs instead of AMD) or get myself registered as a business so I can qualify for the Enterprise edition.of 10 that will allow me the freedom to call the shots like I currently can in 7. 

    Some of us actually do have the savvy to check and research updates before we choose to download them instead of being spoon fed by a company that thinks it knows better and "assumes" we know nothing. The whole mandatory auto update situation is a huge backstep on MS's part as is having to disable a bunch of useless bloatware like Cortana and Edge (which cannot be uninstalled as I understand). Sad too that you still need a third party solution to get a "classic" start menu and UI.

    From what I am hearing and reading, 10 is beginning to make 8.1 almost sound good.

     

    ...my two zł worth.

    You're right. It does almost make 8.1 look good. The one thing I am having a hard time getting to grips with is what does it really offer? I just don't see anything in it to justify the so-called "Best Windows Yet" label. OK, they've brought the Start Menu back ... but, actually, they haven't; it's really that they've turned the Start Screen into a popup menu. And why would anyone want live tiles on a popup menu? The whole point of live tiles is that they are constantly on display so that you can see them changing ... live. Come to think of it, why would anyone want live recipies for lemon meringue and travel destinations in Iceland anyway?

    There are absolutely no performance improvements whatsoever. In fact, for me, I feel that 10 takes longer to boot than 8.1!

    When you get down to the basics, what is Windows 10? A marginally better GUI for tablet and touch operated devices that is riddled with personal data harvesting features that have been deliberately obfuscated by layers of boring, dull, grey dialogs; and forced upates from the cloud whether you want them or not.

    When you get down to this analysis - and this is just my opinion - you can see that Windows 10 is not an operating system for users, it's an operating system for making money through the monetization of user data; all this for a multi-billion dollar corporation that has completely lost touch with its customer base. Yes, it really IS the last ever version of Windows.

    [EDIT: Actually, imho, Windows 8.1 was the last real version of Windows!]

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,202

    I hate being forced into stuff.

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/top-free/apps?s=store all the apps are now win 10 only too

    too many things I need to use do not work with Win 8 let alone 10 I dislike forced obsolescence Google guilty of it too

    have a perfectly good Android tablet that is no longer supported by most stuff and had to buy a new phone just to get texts and make calls other week as the phone network no longer supported my perfectly good old one.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,039
    edited August 2015

    ...yep, MS has basically (in Air  Force terms) performed an "unsavoury act with a canine" with Win 10.

    Maybe we need Unix for workstations, at least then there would be a stable platform.

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  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,622
    kyoto kid said:

    ...yep, MS has basically (in Air  Force terms) performed an "unsavoury act with a canine" with Win 10.

    Maybe we need Unix for workstations, at least then there would be a stable platform.

    Linux is effectively Unix for workstations (yes, I know there is no actual Unix code in it, but it is designed to work thew same way). The problem is getting companies who sell aplications to support it.

  • jag11jag11 Posts: 885
    edited August 2015
    kyoto kid said:

    Maybe we need Unix for workstations, at least then there would be a stable platform.

    Stable, definitely. Secure, nop. One variant of Unix for Workstations is Mac OSX and is heavily supported. The diversity it's there, but then again we have to choose based on ones personal opinion the less evil.

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  • IceCrMnIceCrMn Posts: 2,129

    The most secure OSs' I've ever seen are linux running from read only removable media.Linux can run from DVD,CD,USB thumb drives,,just about anything.I think the diversity is the problem.Operating systems have been able to do pretty much everything we need them to do for the last 10 years.What we need is just a platform for running our programs.The applications is where the work gets done.The OS really shouldn't matter.

  • BobvanBobvan Posts: 2,652
    edited August 2015

    IMO the way they push the update constitutes a form of spamming. If there is not any performence benefits to what we do why bother?

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  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,505
    edited August 2015
    icecrmn said:

    The most secure OSs' I've ever seen are linux running from read only removable media.Linux can run from DVD,CD,USB thumb drives,,just about anything.I think the diversity is the problem.Operating systems have been able to do pretty much everything we need them to do for the last 10 years.What we need is just a platform for running our programs.The applications is where the work gets done.The OS really shouldn't matter.

    Exactly!  The problem is adaptability, reprogramability.  Pure problem solvers can be 100% secure when run from read-only memory.  When was the last time your four function calculator was hacked?  But the moment you introduce user definable functions or the ability to "upgrade" the program then you automatically introduce hackability.  If programs were written correctly the first time and didn't need "improving" just to create a market for the "improvements" then a lot of security problems could be squashed.  Granted, a lot of people would probably think they were going to die from functionality withdrawal symptoms but that might not be a bad thing in the long run. surprise (the "thinking", not the "dying")

     

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  • jag11jag11 Posts: 885

    +1. My 8.1 used to boot faster than my clean W10 installation. But after some adjustments it's much faster. They configure the machine to the most common used features. I don't need the Spooler nor the error reporting services for example.

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,212

    Well the truth of the matter was that 8 booted slow for me and 8.1 upgrade I had very fast boots.  SO give them time, they will have 10 booting faster.  I like 10 so far.  No complaints.  Everything works..

  • Robert FreiseRobert Freise Posts: 4,440

    Grrrr not getting updates again

  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,259

    Trying to do a fresh install of Windows 10

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    My win10 fresh instalation  boot takes 5 sec to  boot  after installing my  work programs and other stuff  it take 15 seconds

  • jag11jag11 Posts: 885
    edited August 2015

    Mine takes 7 seconds but I think is my Kingston HyperX SSD's fault. Cheating a little. Disabled unused services. devil

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  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,583
    icecrmn said:

    The most secure OSs' I've ever seen are linux running from read only removable media.Linux can run from DVD,CD,USB thumb drives,,just about anything.I think the diversity is the problem.Operating systems have been able to do pretty much everything we need them to do for the last 10 years.What we need is just a platform for running our programs.The applications is where the work gets done.The OS really shouldn't matter.

    However, applications are far less secure than operating systems these days as it is.  Shifting the heavy lifting to them would be a security nightmare.

  • IceCrMnIceCrMn Posts: 2,129
    icecrmn said:

    The most secure OSs' I've ever seen are linux running from read only removable media.Linux can run from DVD,CD,USB thumb drives,,just about anything.I think the diversity is the problem.Operating systems have been able to do pretty much everything we need them to do for the last 10 years.What we need is just a platform for running our programs.The applications is where the work gets done.The OS really shouldn't matter.

    However, applications are far less secure than operating systems these days as it is.  Shifting the heavy lifting to them would be a security nightmare.

    I know right,,it would be like trying to get people to stop clicking the link to claim thier lottery winnings from that 3rd world country they have never been to, or purchased a lottery ticket from. I don't think we will ever have a perfect security system for any OS, or application.

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    here is an open source tool which will disable all the 'Tracking & Spying' functionalities of Windows 10 permanently.

    Download : https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking
     

    According to news  disabling anything does not really disable anything and you still share all info with M$, the tool may do it right once and for all

  • IceCrMnIceCrMn Posts: 2,129
    MEC4D said:

    here is an open source tool which will disable all the 'Tracking & Spying' functionalities of Windows 10 permanently.

    Download : https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking
     

    According to news  disabling anything does not really disable anything and you still share all info with M$, the tool may do it right once and for all

    Great find,,thank you for sharing :)

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,039
    edited August 2015

    ...now if they can only make one that overrides MS's forced updates and let's you chose which ones you want and which ones to "hide" beforehand then I'd think about upgrading.

    Of course I'd also need some way to not just disable things I don't want, like Cortana, games (for which I have to pay an annual fee not to see ads), and their new browser, but uninstall them permanently.

    I know I'd get three additional years with 8.1, but not worth it to deal with it's "clown makup" inspired UI, the asnnoying "corners" feature, and having all my apps open in full screen mode.

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  • 3dbug3dbug Posts: 67
    edited August 2015
    icecrmn said:
    MEC4D said:

    here is an open source tool which will disable all the 'Tracking & Spying' functionalities of Windows 10 permanently.

    Download : https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking
     

    According to news  disabling anything does not really disable anything and you still share all info with M$, the tool may do it right once and for all

    Great find,,thank you for sharing :)

    Jag11 won't be needing this, even if it works. He is OK with being tracked and spied on (and--as he said--will even pose in his underware) surprise

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  • 3dbug3dbug Posts: 67
    edited August 2015

    @MEC4D

    I've read that open source stuff is sketchy when it comes to this subject ...

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  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    Well I am getting some advertising already from M$ so it starting to be anoying .. not enough the banners follow me around the web now also on my OS, and my copy was not free upgrade .

    also forgot to reactivate Zbrush, now waiting second day for new activation .. grrrrangry

     

    P.S Oh well the add button was ON again under settings .. how hmm?

  • nDelphinDelphi Posts: 1,861
    MEC4D said:

    Well I am getting some advertising already from M$ so it starting to be anoying .. not enough the banners follow me around the web now also on my OS, and my copy was not free upgrade .

    I posted about these two issues here not long ago. I got ads from Microsoft thru the OS and my Windows 10 takes about 5 times longer to boot than Windows 7 did. I went searching for the boot issue and it seems some are affected by that. Just my luck that I am one of them. I haven't been able to figure out why.

    I do find that doing a check disk at boot time on the C drive takes less time than with Windows 7.

  • jag11jag11 Posts: 885
    3dbug said:
    icecrmn said:
    MEC4D said:

    Jag11 won't be needing this, even if it works. He is OK with being tracked and spied on (and--as he said--will even pose in his underware) surprise

    LOL. I already did, a few years ago, I was headin to cancun, so in the Houston airport the metal detector was buggin me, an officer left me just in underwear, but now, I don't see any difference posing in underwear or posing in swimwear.

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460

    Mmm, if DS4.8 can be run well using WINE I really might consider Ubuntu. I'll see how things progress with 10 on this thread and who knows, maybe I might take the plunge one day....

    CHEERS!

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