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Considering MS give away Windows 10 for free to Win 7 and 8 owners, I'm surprised by the retail prices - $120 for Home and $199 for Pro. Was thinking of buying a retail so it's not locked to a certain device but unless they release a non-OEM upgrade at a low price (like $40 or so, like they did with Win 8), I'm not sure I'll do that.
The fact that the free version is locked to the device, and (as far as I've heard) this is supposed to be the last version of Windows, also means that the day the device dies you'll have to buy a new copy of Win 10 anyway, I suppose?
You will get free upgrades to the last day your device is running at not extra charge , think about Win10 as a server , it will evolve with the time and you can profit from, I installed the retail copy with new key for $120 as I was not interested in upgrade after my SSD with win8 got corrupted plus I change too often my workstation and all I did now is just cloned the current SSD just in case it give up one day so I can easy replace it without new installation
LOL sadly too often
Well AFAIK you can also do a fresh install of the free upgrade using the downloadable ISO image. I prefer a fresh install in any case, upgrading an existing OS often causes problems in different ways.
Still, I prefer to be able to move the system to another PC if necessary as I have tons of stuff installed and it usually takes up to a month to reinstall everything. Too much trouble.
I'm getting a fresh install done next week on my 7 week old ROG asus 8.1 machine simply for the fact that it will get rid of some of the bloatware. Even though I removed the included Mc Afee suite (due to it really interfering with DS ) I am sure it left alot of cr@p on my system in spite of that... If I like it enough I may install it on the Win 7 tower @ home...
By the time this machine dies, I hope, a newer version of Windows will be out anyways. I might upgrade the vid card and memory one more time but other than that should be OK. It's less than 7 months old....
My 2 1/2 yr old 32G tower still works well it has a AMD fire pro W5000 vid card. I may swap it for Nvidia if I get into iray. I have 980M on the new machine..
Question is how to define "a newer version of Windows". The whole thing seems rather confusing, and no one seems to really know where this is going:
http://www.cnet.com/news/is-windows-10-the-last-version-of-windows-it-doesnt-matter/
It's just marketing nonsense. The minute Apple does something different to their OS and it seems to catch on, Microsoft will be making changes to counter them. They may not call changes a new version, but we all know that they are. Windows 10 + Service Pack X, I will consider a new version. If someone comes out with an upgrade to their software and tells you that Windows 10+SP1 is needed then that is a your new version. Or... perhaps they will just go by build numbers, either way it is a new version.
The same happened in the browser market. Look at how Mozilla renamed Firefox versions to something close to that of Chrome. And that was for appearences sake. To make it appear that Firefox was not behind the technological curve.
There was nothing conclusive to any of that article. I highly doubt MS will stop making Windows! lol They are making a mint on that OS and all that goes with it. I think the main concern for many is for MS to go into a subscription thing like Adobe has (which I have yet to junp on that wagon and don't plan too)....
Which aspect was confusing? If you were referring to not having a windows version number: As I understand it, the idea here is that an actual version number can be somewhat arbitrary and meaningless, so why not just stop naming them. For example, previously you would buy Windows 7, then they'd make a bunch of changes and security fixes you get right away, then within Microsoft they would make more changes, add more features, and more security fixes and bundle them all together then release them at once as Windows 8, then again as 10, etc. Really there's no reason they had to call them 8 and 10. They could have done it all at once and called it 8 too. Or 9. Or every single security fix and every group of tied-together feature updates could have been it's own version and we'd be on Windows 476 by now or whatever. So really, why even bother numbering it? Just call it "Windows", and every time there is a fix, or security patch, or new added feature, we install it (or not) but that doesn't change that we still have Windows. Either you have an updated version, or you have an old, not-updated version. When your car has a factory recall to upgrade a part that was flawed or you add new tires or repaint it it's still a Toyota corrolla, not a Toyota corolla 2, 3, etc. Hopefully that helps clear up the confusion?
Ram you mean M$ I also used this in the early days of D$4 when they gave the G1 converting tool then decided to sell it LOL...
Yes, but so far a new version generally have meant a radical change of the user interface and/or other core features, service packs have just been bugfixes etc. and not something that radically changed the OS.
No, they certainly won't stop making Windows, but they can't give away updates for free forever. So unless they'll find another source of income it will probably end up as a subscription.
"Service packs are usually numbered, and thus shortly referred to as SP1, SP2, SP3 etc.[1] They may also bring, besides bug fixes,[2] entirely new features, as is the case of SP2 of Windows XP, or SP3 and SP4 of the heavily database dependent Trainz 2009:World Builder edition.[3]"
I have been programming since the mid-1980s. You know what I called a bug fix to a software of mine? A new version, usually 1.1 to 1.2, or 1.1a. I was the one who ported a few of the Norton Utilties to the Atari 8-bit's SpartaDOS OS.
As human beings we need these labels, just like computers can't do without numbered addresses, neither can we.
True about that. I know that Apple makes it's money from the sale of their computers. I guess that's the kavetch with MS is that they relied too heavly on the software side and never developed successful hardware that could allow for this eventuality! I guess we will find out down the line..............
Just had my first Windows 10 nightmare, and found out why MS insists on updating nVidia graphics drivers with their own.
First, Windows 10 installed and ran without any problems. But I couldn't find GeForce Experience. In the past I have just installed the most recent OEM driver package or one of nVidia's more recent ones to fix that. VERY BAD IDEA under Windows 10. MS apparently did not wish to wait for nVidia to fully incorporate DirectX 12 into their drivers, so they did it themselves in a very big (and I feel Wrong Headed) way. The result of Installing that an nVidia driver supported by the Laptop manufacturer was that my machine failed to boot. It still will not.
The GeForce chip on that notebook is not mandatory to the running of the machine. It's there to boost perfomance in open GL and Cuda Applications--At my discretion. It should not be possible to break the entire system by changing it's driver. But because MS bound it so tightly to DirectX 12 it broke the DirectX Kernal, which broke the whole system.
That's not modular enough for a Stable operating system. That allows the user too little discretion. And it looks like MS is trying to bully hardware manufacturers the same way they used to bully retailers.
Hope your experiences were better. I'm learning to like Windows 8.1, and dreaming about Gnus.
I had my free update pending on my laptop but I was postponing it 'cause I was using it heavily because of a project and didn't want to jeopardize it. I finished project today and tried to update but I received the "Windows 10 couldn't update the system reserved partition" error. Darn it.
Found an article at http://community.spiceworks.com/how_to/121767-windows-10-couldn-t-update-the-system-reserved-partition.
I tried again and upgrade was succesfull this time. After that it left all my stuff where it was, all software at 100%.
I don't normally do upgrades, I rather perform clean installations 'cause this way I'm in control. But I was amazed that even my Microsoft Office Outlook Connector for IBM Lotus Domino kept working. When I upgraded to Windows 7 I've spent 2 whole weeks trying to make it work.
Ok guys I think something is not right with Iray rendering on new win10
first rendering simple cube on one Titan X in 9sec ! something happened lol
rendering the same cube with 2 x Titan X in 13 sec ! no improvements both cards loaded stuff on GPU , before it not even take a 1/2 sec but it render slow
I tested couple of times the same result :(
Well, that's definitely weird, if you have the time, I'd suggest testing either newer NVIDIA drivers or older. Also using the ultra-super-powerful graphics card information utility called GPU-Z.
The open GL improved so well but there is 6 sec delay in real time Iray viewport , after I move the object the GPU get max speed clock after 5-6 sec before it was real time on the go clean up as you may see in my yourtube video, it seems like the iray viewport speed really no matter if I have 1 or 2 cards selected as it spin and clean at the same speed , before it was a tornado faster than OpenGL in DS, it may be the new driver that create the delay in communication , GPU-Z is stupid it show I have 4GB V memory, where my Titan X have 12 GB.. I use EVGA PrecisionX that control and monitor my EVGA TitanX SC cards it keep them cool 56C on full load other way it run into 87C on full load when used without.
I may go back to the preview driver but it don't support directX12 and it improved DS OpenGL somehow as it was slow before but I am going to reinstall the old one just to see the difference and make sure it is the driver and not other stuff DS related .
Sure, I also use the term "new version" when I update one of my programs from e.g. 1.05 to 1.06. But I also use the term "update" sometimes. And then there are minor (free) and major (usually paid) updates/versions.
With windows though, for most people a new version means when the whole OS is being replaced with a new, well, version. Service packs and fixes are usually just called updates.
In the end it's just words, and people use the different terms as they like. It's a mess like so many other things, and it doesn't get less confusing by all the different version numbering standards out there. I'm all in for precise definitions and standards, but if people don't use them it gets more or less pointless. If programmers can't even agree on using e.g. the ISO standard for DateTime (which would save themselves a lot of work), you can't expect common people to stick to the standards and definitions either.
Well obviously the term "new version" of Windows will have to be redefined now if Win 10 is the last version and there will only be updates now.
As for the "confusion" it wasn't about versions, I was refering to Microsoft not stating clearly what their plans are and where this whole thing is going.
I think you're looking at the wrong example, it's google/android that microsoft is looking emulate, not mac/iOS.
I've "reserved" my copy of Windows10 for my three eligible machines (a Win7 laptop, a Win7-Pro desktop and a Win8.1-Pro desktop) but after all the discussions I think I'll just wait. I'm actually in the market to buy or build a new and better machine for graphic use only. But I think I'll actually buy a Win7-Pro OS to put on it with the option to upgrade before the offer expires. Or maybe never upgrade at all. If this new machine is a high performance graphic machine and not used for browsing or mail then why would I need to ever abandon a fully functional and very familiar Win7-Pro? I still have my older machines that perform those services and could be sacrificed to Microsoft's demons if necessary.
I've got my notice that I'm good to go to install it but I'm thinking I'll wait a bit to see. Right now I have Windoze 7 home pro running fences and rainmeter. I'll stick with that for a bit. Right now I'm squabbling with Deviantart about why my account is not accessible >:(
I too got my official pop up notice this AM upon booting into my system. I hit the X for the time being and will wait a bit myself. Perhaps on Sunday but I really really want this NVIDIA driver issue resolved first.
Have updated two Win 8.1Pro systems both with Nvidia cards and one running dual monitors have had no problem with either of them
Oh, that's really great news Robert. Thanks for the feedback. SO they are running actual NVIDIA drivers and not the MS fill in driver that folks were reporting?
I reinstalled the driver and nothing, the rendering time with 1 Titan X or 2 is only 2 sec difference .. one card or 2 make not difference the render time is the same and boot loaded the scene and rendered ... I even unpluged the second one and the same time .. now that is mystery ..win10? or DS?